Originally posted by lightyeargee
PC Karate Kid Could react to PC Krytonians who could literally race millions of universes across in seconds. 🙂
Doesn't matter how quick a person is. Zoom relies on time manipulation not sheer speed. Also millions of universe a second? I don't believe you but PC shit is crazy stupid so maybe your right.
The Tornado Twins were actually faster then Superboy, and KK kept claiming how he's nowhere near their class in speed. But he still managed to catch the brother twin off guard with a dropkick and grab him by the shoulder, holding onto him for a knockout punch which was interrupted.
However, the twins were new to their powers. Had that been Barry, he could've simply vibrated out of the grip, or through the punch...
I think against a competent Flash, KK would lose.
Against Zoom, I'm not sure.. I guess he has the same shot Wonder Woman had against him, but IMO WW's win was PIS...
Originally posted by cdtmPC Karate KId was the Poster Child For PIS
The Tornado Twins were actually faster then Superboy, and KK kept claiming how he's nowhere near their class in speed. But he still managed to catch the brother twin off guard with a dropkick and grab him by the shoulder, holding onto him for a knockout punch which was interrupted.However, the twins were new to their powers. Had that been Barry, he could've simply vibrated out of the grip, or through the punch...
I think against a competent Flash, KK would lose.
Against Zoom, I'm not sure.. I guess he has the same shot Wonder Woman had against him, but IMO WW's win was PIS...
Originally posted by lightyeargeeZoom operates in his own divergent time bubble. This allows him to move along the 'mainstream' time line, as fast or slow as he wants:
PC Karate Kid Could react to PC Krytonians who could literally race millions of universes across in seconds. 🙂
That's why (sans PIS), nothing should be able to react/move as fast as him.
Originally posted by Galan007
Zoom operates in his own divergent time bubble. This allows him to move along the 'mainstream' time line, as fast or slow as he wants:That's why (sans PIS), nothing should be able to react/move as fast as him.
Probably in the post crisis era, at least. The mainline speedforce users tend to keep raising the bar on the upper limit of speed though..
And we know Zooms ability to translate time into speed isn't indefinite, or Wallys ploy if absorbing multiple speed force users speeds to match him would have failed.
Originally posted by cdtmWally was able to beat Zoom in that instance by stopping time around himself. But what should be noted is that Zoom had just gained his powers, thus was a complete noob with them... I mean, he hadn't even learned to slow down/speed up his time bubble at that point.
And we know Zooms ability to translate time into speed isn't indefinite, or Wallys ploy if absorbing multiple speed force users speeds to match him would have failed.
Originally posted by Galan007
Wally was able to beat Zoom in that instance by stopping time around himself. But what should be noted is that Zoom had just gained his powers, thus was a complete noob with them... I mean, he hadn't even learned to slow down/speed up his time bubble at that point.
Wally had so much speed, time appeared to be stopped. But he wasn't actually manipulating time like Zoom was.
He was basically doing the same thing, using a different power set.
Originally posted by cdtmTime was stopped for both of them. That's what matters.
Wally had so much speed, time appeared to be stopped. But he wasn't actually manipulating time like Zoom was.He was basically doing the same thing, using a different power set.
Anyhow, all I was saying is using that 'loss' as some sort of benchmark as to how Zoom (with his later powerset) could be beaten is faulty, because he was a complete noob with little to no mastery over his powers at the time.
