The Sith Empire vs Galactic Empire

Originally posted by Q99
Not in a conventional fight, they got a lot of planets to defect as well as finally decapitating the Empire. Even then, once decapitated it took a significant time to put down.

Galactic Empire worlds aren't going to defect to the Sith Empire except out of fear, and that goes both ways. As long as Palpatine can keep from getting offed, which I think he can, then the GE takes it.

Hm, I wonder how the Sith Empire would do against the later Krayt Sith Empire. They're more in the same ballpark, never gaining total domination like the Galactic Empire did.

On the ground, it's likely that Krayt doesn't have access to the manpower and morale to keep superiority. Even worse is that unless a similar betrayal by a foreigner occurs, the Old Sith have a massive force multiplier in Sadow's illusions. Illusions that could fight....

Originally posted by Gideon
[QUOTE=6271169]Originally posted by Blaxican_Hydra
[B]Escape 81 give some reasons please. All you did in that last argument is say over and over again that Sadows forces are better, but you didn't actually give any proof . I gave tactics and even gave an example to back up my statement. You have not. I can say: Rotj Luke is better than Marka Ragnos over and over again until I'm blue in the face but mu opinion will be moot unless I give some actual reasoning. /quote]

Sadow > Sidious. If you want proof, go back and look at Wesker's posts. Sidious's feats are nothing new to Sadow, who can replicate those and then some of his own.

Now, Stormtroopers possess superior technology, granted. But Massassi are empowered by the Dark Side. They are augmented by it. Palpatine's men are flesh-and-blood human without any other Force assistance other than Palpatine's Battle Meditation - which, wouldn't ya know - Sadow can do as well.

In melee combat, the Massassi slaughter the stormtroopers. And, now, the kicker!

Sadow is on the defensive. That means all he has to do is sit and wait. Palpatine is coming for him. So, that means that the Stormtroopers advantage of blasters won't be much good when they're in arm's reach of the Massassi.

Sadow > Sidious

Massassi > Stormtroopers [/B]

Hahahaha. Stupid Gideon. I will forever bring up this post to ruin your credibility at the most oppertune moments, because I have no concept of character development or progression.

Does the Sith Empire have access to Sadow's illusions?

In short, a war of attrition . . . who runs out of weapons, men and systems first?

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Hahahaha. Stupid Gideon. I will forever bring up this post to ruin your credibility at the most oppertune moments, because I have no concept of character development or progression.

My credibility is not tarnished. I was flawed before the Light of the Snake healed me and erased my sins.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Does the Sith Empire have access to Sadow's illusions?

There was little to indicate his shit was completely spectacular. That little meditation chamber of his was likely as proven tech as blasters were in the Republic.

By all evidence and by the fact the mere Sith Trinkets are artifacts powerful enough to start jedi on the warpath, I would say the old siht have some damn impressive Magitech available and that most powerful lords could produce what he did. Maybe on less planets but still.

Also, I forget where, but there is some old fluff that says that while the Sith Empire was much smaller than ther Republic, it was also much wealthier. Apparently, they used Sith Alchemy as adhoch molecular/atomic manufacturing or some such. Given what making Sith Holocrons require and the commonality of those that date from the times of Sadow Ragnos and such, I think the Sith could resort to building and creating beasts and monsters and equipment with just the darkside nad raw materials. We know that the 2nd Great Schism, the guys that found the Stih Speices, basically used alhemy to bring the very ground beneath them to life to fight for them along with some weird Techno-organic Sith Spell. Plus the Muur Talisman and its effects could be recovered if the Ancient guys have the records of what Muur did with it. They also have a greater chance of restraining Muur while using his Raks to their own ends due to an unbroken chain of Achemical and Drak side knowledge that stretches for thousands of years.

No, it's too late. You said all that stuff four years ago so that means that it's still important and worth mentioning today.

Originally posted by Gideon
Hydra -

1. Sidious doesn't need to get within ten feet of Sadow. Sadow can use a Force Storm just like Sidious. Sidious will die, one way or another.

2. Again, Sadow can handle AT-ATs if his men can't. If Sidious can handle fleets, lol, then Sadow can handle mere AT-ATs. Again, in melee combat - Stormtroopers have no chance.

3. Watch LOtR again. The humans at Minis Tirith were horribly outnumbered, and they still held their own. Sidious's men are equal in numbers to Sadow. Sadow is more powerful. That point is moot. So, I'm glad you play Starcraft. It does not make you a master tactition.

IKC -

I'm not arguing moot points. I'm arguing valid ones. And, we both share the same belief. Sadow owns Sidious.

Tdtd -

Palpatine's not a master military tactition. If he was, he wouldn't need to have the twelve Grand Admirals or Vader to lead his military forces. I'm sure he's not stupid when it comes to tactics, but Sadow was a warlord. If Palpatine is a strategist at anything, it'd be political. Not warfare.

Hahahaha, you goon. I expect a written apology on my desk by this evening. Fufufufufufu.

Originally posted by Letum Lettow
What the Old Sith Empire lacked in raw force capability they can likely makeup for in their more practical applications of the darkside with their Magitech and Alchemy.

On the ground, it's likely that Krayt doesn't have access to the manpower and morale to keep superiority. Even worse is that unless a similar betrayal by a foreigner occurs, the Old Sith have a massive force multiplier in Sadow's illusions. Illusions that could fight....

Krayt's got a very large chunk of the GE. He can't use it as freely since he has both Fel's loyalists and Galactic Alliance remnants to worry about, but take them out of the picture and he'd have a whole lot of manpower freed up.

Btw, aren't we talking about the Sith Emperor's Sith's Empire, quite awhile after Sadow?

This does not embarrass me! I fully admit and accept the nature of my wicked ways prior to Lightsnake's arrival. But then he converted me, and I began to campaign with him to convert the foolish and the ignorant.

Sadow can use Force storms?

Spoiler:
you're dumb

Originally posted by Q99
Krayt's got a very large chunk of the GE. He can't use it as freely since he has both Fel's loyalists and Galactic Alliance remnants to worry about, but take them out of the picture and he'd have a whole lot of manpower freed up.

Btw, aren't we talking about the Sith Emperor's Sith's Empire, quite awhile after Sadow?

The Old Sith Empire used the darkside in ways that the Chaos of 40k use the warp, but its toned down and controllable. Directable. It doesnt have some of the more pesky, world ending drawbacks...unless you count what Nihilus did to himself....

LS was an arrogant prick.

Letum: I keep expecting us to mention a member, and you will be all of the sudden be like: "WAIT!!! THAT WAS ME!!!" you are the one who can't remember your original SN, right?

He had to be.

To survive.

When you have people like dumb ass Illustrious running around saying things like "Exar Kun is the fastest lightsaber duelists in the mythos and if you disagree you lack reading comprehension", it forces you to take drastic measures.

😐

....LS was not an arrogant prick.

Originally posted by truejedi
Letum: I keep expecting us to mention a member, and you will be all of the sudden be like: "WAIT!!! THAT WAS ME!!!" you are the one who can't remember your original SN, right?

Maybe, I didn't post often, just lurked invisibly. I did return several months ago but someguy by the the name of Darksnake or something had reached memetic status and I had other things on my mind so... shrugs.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
He had to be.

To survive.

When you have people like dumb ass Illustrious running around saying things like "Exar Kun is the fastest lightsaber duelists in the mythos and if you disagree you lack reading comprehension", it forces you to take drastic measures.

😐

Originally posted by Gideon
....LS was not an arrogant prick.

Lightsnake was an arrogant prick and made the place unfunny and less hilarious and interesting. But it was needed as the wankery of the Old Sith HAD gotten out of hand. Of course, the purging of interesting and fun memebers always happenes on forums against flaming stubborn tards and forums who apparently would rather have stubborn tards than a few insults...

Originally posted by Letum Lettow

Lightsnake was an arrogant prick and made the place unfunny and less hilarious and interesting. But it was needed as the wankery of the Old Sith HAD gotten out of hand.

Originally posted by Gideon
Ms. Marvel, despite having a vagina, is correct in this instance.

That aside, I completely agree with him (and Ms. Marvel.) The Sith Emperor had a thousand effing years to plan the downfall of the Republic, and still couldn't get it done. That is fail on an epic level. All he would have had to do is recruit some Ewoks and appoint them to his Council and they could've gotten the job done with far less prep time. Hell, after his first death Palpatine nearly conquered the galaxy again with just a few years to regroup his forces. And had he teamed up with Thrawn instead of secretly undermining him, he would have completely succeeded. Also, regardless of some of the feats in the CG trailers, the Force-users of that era seemed pathetically weak. I mean, Grandmaster Zym was killed by a wrist-rocket from a bounty hunter. Others (Sith) in the comics seem equally inept. Palpatine, Vader, Jerec, Mara Jade, and I'm positive a host of others of the Empire-era are certainly more powerful than the supposed Sith Lords of the Dark Council. Not to mention the vast materiel and manpower edge that the Empire enjoys, technological superiority, etc....

Galactic Empire stomps this. And Palpatine introduces the "Sith Emperor" to the terrible might of his pimp hand.

The Sith Emperor faced competent foes with a large stnding military.

Palpatine didn't.

It evens the scale somewhat, but not enough.

truejedi
LS was an arrogant prick.

And when you took off in '07 or whenever, wasn't it because of Gideon?