Thor and Silver Surfer vs Cyborg Superman (w/ rings) and Black Adam

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
You know the context for that feat?

Unless you really think that Henshaw's technopathy extends to the point where he can just hijack skyfather enchanted weapons on a dime?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
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Originally posted by lightyeargee
Source wall is far beyond Skyfather power. Abstract level beings couldn't even manipulate it. Henshaw did. Yes I do think Henshaw could hijack Thor's hammer. Henshaw's Technopathy extends to more than just machines. It works on simple metals, as we've seen him build his body out of nothing but scraps. It works on source wall divine materials. He certainly can much around with Thor's hammer.

Do you think that Henshaw instantly took over the Source Wall when he was thrown into it? No, of course not. Unless you can show me Henshaw hijacking a skyfather embued magical/divine weapon in the midst of combat, or even relatively quickly outside of a fight, there's nothing to suggest that Hank is going to "take over" Mjolnir from Thor. And that's just if we assume Hank fights Thor and not Surfer, who has his own options of messing Hank up.

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Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Do you think that Henshaw instantly took over the Source Wall when he was thrown into it? No, of course not. Unless you can show me Henshaw hijacking a skyfather embued magical/divine weapon in the midst of combat, or even relatively quickly outside of a fight, there's nothing to suggest that Hank is going to "take over" Mjolnir from Thor. And that's just if we assume Hank fights Thor and not Surfer, who has his own options of messing Hank up.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
The only time we ever see Henshaw messed up is when DS regains Full power and uses the Omegas. They are greater than anything the Surfer has mustered in combat. With Ten rings, I doubt the Surfer has many options. You miss my point about the Divine Source wall. It's enchantments and protections were far greater than that of the Hammer. Even if it took a while for Henshaw to manipulate it, the fact that he did so should show us that the hammer should be cake. It's like If Superman lifts a mountain. I don't need to see him lift a car when He's already lifted a mounted. Henshaw's mountain was the source wall. The hammer is car in comparison.

So just assume he can without on panel proof of him doing something in the midst of combat, much less against someone who has greater control over his weapon to begin with than Henshaw does?

Thor has absorbed the energies of the Null Bomb, so I assume he'll just drain all ten rings at once and depower Henshaw in an instant because Null Bomb > Qwardian Rings.

Only thing is, Thor has on panel proof of doing such a thing in short amount of time.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So just assume he can without on panel proof of him doing something in the midst of combat, much less against someone who has greater control over his weapon to begin with than Henshaw does?

Thor has absorbed the energies of the Null Bomb, so I assume he'll just drain all ten rings at once and depower Henshaw in an instant because Null Bomb > Qwardian Rings.

Only thing is, Thor has on panel proof of doing such a thing in short amount of time.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
Funny thing about energies. Those that are backed with will power seem to be much tuffer to drain than those that are just free floating. Or how come Thor can absorb magnetic energy from the atmosphere easily but not from Magneto? You know Thor Absorbed the null bomb but couldn't crack Magneto's shields? LOL. He wont' be draining any rings when they are controlled by Henshaw's own will.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
Funny thing about energies. Those that are backed with will power seem to be much tuffer to drain than those that are just free floating. Or how come Thor can absorb magnetic energy from the atmosphere easily but not from Magneto? You know Thor Absorbed the null bomb but couldn't crack Magneto's shields? LOL. He wont' be draining any rings when they are controlled by Henshaw's own will.

Lol. Thor absorbed Magneto's shields and left him a defenseless feeb, so try again. Lowballing is beneath you. And Henshaw's rings are fueled by his ability to instill fear, not will power. I doubt very much he can instill much fear into either Thor or Surfer here.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
Also hasn't Henshaw in the middle of battle made his own Sinestro rings? So this guy can make rings, and control divine materials that not even abstracts could do. I am pretty sure he could wrest control of Thor's hammer from him. Hell, He could get inside the hammer.

Making a Qwardian Ring on the fly =/= manipulating Mjolnir against Thor. Considering he's the Headmaster of the Manhunters and had been for a while, it's safe to assume he has had time to get more than intimate knowledge of the tech he's using. He has no such knowledge of Mjolnir. And nothing he's done even comes close to suggest he can do so in battle.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Lol. Thor absorbed Magneto's shields and left him a defenseless feeb, so try again. Lowballing is beneath you. And Henshaw's rings are fueled by his ability to instill fear, not will power. I doubt very much he can instill much fear into either Thor or Surfer here.

Thor and Surfer for a decent majority.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
I"d wager Superman isn't afraid of much and Henshaw still pwned him. Thor has also met resistance form Magneto's shields. And a quardian ring isn't some natural or enviremental energy. The rings also absorb energy.

Only Superman has shown he is afraid of Henshaw. A magical illusion turned Captain Marvel into a being he feared/hated the most, and at the time, the result was Henshaw. He's admitted as much, and even if he's not scared of him very much now, Superman has more to fear from the guy than Thor or Surfer does. And Henshaw pwning Superman doesn't auto-translate into him pwning a completely different character with a wildly radical and different powerset. Thor has also absorbed Mag's shield, the Null Bomb, drained people of their energy/life force, etc. Qwardian rings use hard light constructs and energy manifested from the "emotion" of fear. Energy is energy, and Thor's absorbed it. Cosmic, magical, telepathic, magnetic, radioactive, life force, etc.

Thor's absorbing feats trump what Henshaw has shown using the rings, so he's not going to win a contest of energy drain with Thor.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Only Superman has shown he is afraid of Henshaw. A magical illusion turned Captain Marvel into a being he feared/hated the most, and at the time, the result was Henshaw. He's admitted as much, and even if he's not scared of him very much now, Superman has more to fear from the guy than Thor or Surfer does. And Henshaw pwning Superman doesn't auto-translate into him pwning a completely different character with a wildly radical and different powerset. Thor has also absorbed Mag's shield, the Null Bomb, drained people of their energy/life force, etc. Qwardian rings use hard light constructs and energy manifested from the "emotion" of fear. Energy is energy, and Thor's absorbed it. Cosmic, magical, telepathic, magnetic, radioactive, life force, etc.

Thor's absorbing feats trump what Henshaw has shown using the rings, so he's not going to win a contest of energy drain with Thor.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
What I need is proof that Thor has drained a being with the herald level power of a quardian ring, that is as fast and strong as Superman, that also happens to be comics best technopath. Henshaw's will is incredible. Ready, Set go. Find a being that Thor has absorbed that is beyond the top tier that also happens to be super fast. Oh, Thor doesn't drain beings of this calibre on the fly. If he does, it should be no problem for you to show me Thor draining Gladiator of his powers, or Silver Surfer of the power cosmic.

So you're going to demand proof of Thor absorbing energy from Qwardian Rings and not supply proof of Henshaw doing anything close to what you claimed him doing: taking over Mjolnir?

Thor's drained energy from sources greater than Qwardian Rings on multiple occasion. That's all the proof I need. And draining energy from a weapon directed at Thor =/= draining a High Herald of their own personal sources of energy. Manhunters have been shown to drain power rings of both green and yellow colors. Black Hand's cosmic divining rod absorbs cosmic energy, energy that the rings and fueled by. If I said Thor was going to specifically drain Henshaw of his energy, you'd have more room to stand on. His power rings, which are far from being limitless, are fair game. If Henshaw shoots a beam at Thor, he can absorb it. If he makes constructs, Thor can absorb them or just apply physical force to crush them.

And that's just Thor, not Surfer being brought up. And Henshaw's will has nothing to do with him resisting the energy drain from his rings when said rings don't run off of will.

Team 2 ftw, Adam would wreck Thor, Henshaw could hold Surfer off, and it ends with 2 v 1

I also see team 2 winning. Howeven Adam wrecking Thor isn't happening

Originally posted by Warlord
I also see team 2 winning. Howeven Adam wrecking Thor isn't happening

Team 2

Black Adam is the most powerful version of Superman to date, so Team 3 takes this.