Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Show me one place where I said Odin wasn't getting the better of Thanos? So your attempt at calling something fallacious that doesn't exist, was in fact, a fallacy on your part.Do you read what you're saying…. You act like Thanos HAD to stick around when he brought his son to Odin. Tell me why that is? Was there a some kinda of forcefield I'm unaware of that prevented him from leaving? You see, he needed Odin's help and could've just left Thor with his father to deal with and Teleport out of there with no issue. Could've and would've prepped if he encountered Thor again and his father hadn't done the job. So you see, all you do is continue to prove my point. He didn't have to stay in either case… He stuck around to prove to Odin that he could take whatever he could dish out and wasn't scared of him.
Answer these simple question…
1. Was Thanos fight with Tyrant less drawn out than his one with Odin?
2. Was Thanos most likely fresher with his fight with Tyrant compared to Odin?
3. In a shorter period did Tyrant scare Thanos enough that he conceded he would be killed if he didn't leave
4. In more pages and taking more punishment did Thanos ever once back down from Odin or leave for fear of dying?These simple questions really need to answered by you and others honestly. Going by what I'm saying it's certainly possible and IMO probable, and thus, my conclusion is certainly backed up by logic and on panel evidence from a common foe.
I'm still waiting for Lightyear, Omega & WWK to tackle these questions.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiI addressed those Questions. Thanos had a weapon when he Fought Tyrant. Tyrant was absorbing powers from heralds. So nothing can be clear about Thanos's fight with Tyrant since there were too many variables in thier encounter. We then must look at How the heralds themselves did. Tyrant did not one shot any of the heralds and was caused harm by Ganymede. And matched by Gladiator's beams. This after they'd been weakened and Tyrant had been amped with some of thier power. Odin on the other hand one shotted fresh heralds.
I'm still waiting for Lightyear, Omega & WWK to tackle these questions.
Originally posted by lightyeargee
I addressed those Questions. Thanos had a weapon when he Fought Tyrant. Tyrant was absorbing powers from heralds. So nothing can be clear about Thanos's fight with Tyrant since there were too many variables in thier encounter. We then must look at How the heralds themselves did. Tyrant did not one shot any of the heralds and was caused harm by Ganymede. And matched by Gladiator's beams. This after they'd been weakened and Tyrant had been amped with some of thier power. Odin on the other hand one shotted fresh heralds.
There is so much fail here it's not even funny. ANSWER THE QUESTIONS... You keep on dodging them, not answering them.
Next you realize the heralds weren't fresh and were battling the Asgard Warriors who came out before Odin? So your theory about fresh is false. Next if you answered my questions you would have to conclude that Thanos was freshier when he fought Tyrant as compared to Odin.. Correct?
Lastly, what on God's green earth do you mean Tyrant didn't one shot heralds. Go read the comic again... He one shot BRB, Gany, Surfer, JOH and Glads (2 shots)... Surfer got one shotted and put down n out... then proceeds to get back up as Tyrant is dispatching the others only to get one shot again. Not sure what is unclear about this. BRB got one shot.. JOH got one shot... Gan got one shotted. Glads DIDN'T match Tyrant eye beams once he got serious... he INTIALLY matched them.. then Tyrant turned up the pressure and completly and totally overwhelmed Glads and knocked him to the floor. Then go up to him and elbows him to the face and he's down and out. Didn't one shot heralds LOL. Now answer my questions and read my entire post. It's crystal clear that Thanos respected Tyrant power more and actually admitted if he stuck around he would be kiled... with Odin.. he wasn't as fresh.. .never once backed down nor left for fear of dying.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Well here's the scan. Where does Thanos say that? It's Tyrant who was surprised by this and throughout the fight.
http://img227.imageshack.us/f/tyrant99lz.jpg/
Look at the next panel... Tyrant says this is somethign I shall remedy... killing Thanos... Thanos ADMITS this to be true if he stuck around. Are you now going to concede this point?
I agree Odin would not need the Power Gem to hold out against DP Tyrant. As for Gladiators eye beams holding out against Tyrant, I am still unsure that Tyrant wasn't holding back as he needed Gladiator and all of the rest of the Heralds alive in order to devour their powers.
Ganymede's power staff was created to hurt Tyrant (all of the Spinsters carried one), so I would not place too much stock in her being a major factor in this debate.
Odin would not only defeat DP Tyrant under these circumstances, he would beat a fully powered Tyrant as well. The Power Gem would amp him to levels far beyond anything that even Galactus could match.
Odin wins.
Originally posted by StoicAnd that is a big point. Odin empowers high and Mid level Heralds. Tyrant devours their powers for more power. Odin is clearly Above Tyrant.
I agree Odin would not need the Power Gem to hold out against DP Tyrant. As for Gladiators eye beams holding out against Tyrant, I am still unsure that Tyrant wasn't holding back as he needed Gladiator and all of the rest of the Heralds alive in order to devour their powers.Ganymede's power staff was created to hurt Tyrant (all of the Spinsters carried one), so I would not place too much stock in her being a major factor in this debate.
Odin would not only defeat DP Tyrant under these circumstances, he would beat a fully powered Tyrant as well. The Power Gem would amp him to levels far beyond anything that even Galactus could match.
Odin wins.
Originally posted by lightyeargee
I'm still waiting for you to relalize that the Heralds had been DRAINED and Tyrant was amping off of their power. Odin has no such need of an amp.
So tell me something? Do the heralds need to feed like Galactus or Tyrant to replenish their energies? No... they just replenish. So any draining that took place in moot, and they would be back to full capacity quickly. Regardless, of that fact, you're missing the fact that they were captured and one shot many of them TO drain them with ease. So when they were at full power they were captured. Whether he drained them before or after or in the middle doesn't change the fact that they were dealt with and captured with ease.
Originally posted by Stoic
I agree Odin would not need the Power Gem to hold out against DP Tyrant. As for Gladiators eye beams holding out against Tyrant, I am still unsure that Tyrant wasn't holding back as he needed Gladiator and all of the rest of the Heralds alive in order to devour their powers.Ganymede's power staff was created to hurt Tyrant (all of the Spinsters carried one), so I would not place too much stock in her being a major factor in this debate.
Odin would not only defeat DP Tyrant under these circumstances, he would beat a fully powered Tyrant as well. The Power Gem would amp him to levels far beyond anything that even Galactus could match.
Odin wins.
So you're saying that Odin can HOLD OFF or BEAT Tyrant without the PG. Most of the rest of your post I agree with.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiThey wree captured by Tyrant's Robots. And Galactus needs to feed to sustain balance. Really don't you get that?
So tell me something? Do the heralds need to feed like Galactus or Tyrant to replenish their energies? No... they just replenish. So any draining that took place in moot, and they would be back to full capacity quickly. Regardless, of that fact, you're missing the fact that they were captured and one shot many of them TO drain them with ease. So when they were at full power they were captured. Whether he drained them before or after or in the middle doesn't change the fact that they were dealt with and captured with ease.
Originally posted by lightyeargee
They wree captured by Tyrant's Robots. And Galactus needs to feed to sustain balance. Really don't you get that?
Do you hear what you're saying... Tyrant robots can capture them with ease but Tyrant couldn't? That is the point I'm making... anything his robots could do he could do so exponentially better as his is exponentially more powerful. It's not just about balance... he needs to sustain his powerlevals... not just a balance issue. So by your logic the heralds are above him since they don't need to feed.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiHeralds get thier power from Galactus. And since they are ony small parts of his power, his levels shouldn't really effect thiers. Tyrant's robots are not him. If he were as powerful as you would have us believe, why have the robots? They did help him sustain his empire. Tyrant has shown nothing that puts him above Trans tier.
Do you hear what you're saying... Tyrant robots can capture them with ease but Tyrant couldn't? That is the point I'm making... anything his robots could do he could do so exponentially better as his is exponentially more powerful. It's not just about balance... he needs to sustain his powerlevals... not just a balance issue. So by your logic the heralds are above him since they don't need to feed.
Originally posted by lightyeargee
Heralds get thier power from Galactus. And since they are ony small parts of his power, his levels shouldn't really effect thiers. Tyrant's robots are not him. If he were as powerful as you would have us believe, why have the robots? They did help him sustain his empire. Tyrant has shown nothing that puts him above Trans tier.
What the hell does the first part of your post suppose to prove? You are making the claim that Tyrant is weaker than Odin because he needs to feed on heralds for power. I'm saying... So does Galactus and yet the heralds don't.. supes doesn't.. so does that make them stronger than Tyrant or Galactus? Furthermore, Galactus also needs to feed... does that mean Odin is more powerful by default? Isn't it also very logically that when you ARE THAT powerful you need more energy to sustain such levels... while others don't? We say Doom with Galactus power one shot Odin with ease... We saw Dp Tryant punk a well-fed Galactus with ease... Yet in your view Odin wins with ease... WTF?
Having robots someone now makes you weaker? Do we say DS is weak because he has people helping him? No we say... he's is powerful enough that people need to follow and people need help keeping people in check as you can't be eveywhere at once. This isn't a knock on DS just as it isn't against Tyrant. Horrible logic.
