Originally posted by Prep-Man
I think Orion's skill of fighting will give him the edge over Superman, eventually. He did go up against the greatest martial artist in the universe and knocked Superman for a loop.
Superman is no slouch.
What instance are you referring to?
If your talking about the Valkrya fight, that holds as much water as the Man Beast fight for Thor. The Man Beast was stated to posses the knowledge of every form of combat advanced by a million years and Thor's fighting prowess was still superior to him. Lee/Kirby Thor was very impressive in terms of fighting prowess. He was prone to using different maneuvers and skills you'd see a street character use every once in a while. The two fights (Valkyra and Man Beast that is.) were actually quite similar.
It'd be more impressive if Orion or Thor were to defeat an established martial artist when depowered etc.
Regardless, both and Thor are extremely skilled and proficient warriors. Both superior to Superman in that category.
When? There was that one time he used the Astro Force to knock out Superman temporarily.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Superman is no slouch.What instance are you referring to?
If your talking about the Valkrya fight, that holds as much water as the Man Beast fight for Thor. The Man Beast was stated to posses the knowledge of every form of combat advanced by a million years and Thor's fighting prowess was still superior to him. Lee/Kirby Thor was very impressive in terms of fighting prowess. He was prone to using different maneuvers and skills you'd see a street character use every once in a while. The two fights (Valkyra and Man Beast that is.) were actually quite similar.
It'd be more impressive if Orion or Thor were to defeat an established martial artist when depowered etc.
Regardless, both and Thor are extremely skilled and proficient warriors. Both superior to Superman in that category.
When? There was that one time he used the Astro Force to knock out Superman temporarily.
Yeah, when Orion was in a pacafist state and still had the edge. Valkyrie has had bouts before in an early New Gods run, showing her skill in tournaments. So she's pretty skilled.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Yeah, when Orion was in a pacafist state and still had the edge. Valkyrie has had bouts before in an early New Gods run, showing her skill in tournaments. So she's pretty skilled.
As I recall Orion's spirit was down at the time and he sought the fight to regain his fire. After tanking a beating, he returned to his previous state and strikes her three times, gaining the edge, but Highfather intervened or something similar.
It would have been more impressive if Orion while depowered defeated Jason etc.
And the Man Beast defeated the High Evolutionary in combat.