Legolas vs. Boromir

Originally posted by LegolasLuva
Whaddya mean "no depth"? He DOES! I couldn't say it and make it sound real, but if you look up things about him and elves, you'll learn that it's kind of all a non-spoken liking of them and their depth.

What I was saying is, compared to Boromir (that is the very point of this thread), Legolas is NOTHING when it comes to character depth.

An example I can think of is like Legolas' and Gimli's strong friendship, unusual for a dwarf and an elf, who are known to be bitter enemies.

But aren't the really smart people always quiet ones? He IS 2,931 years old, after all.

He, like other elves, must be very wise as well as knowledgable and intelligent.

Don't forget experienced, too! If I was that old, immortal, looking like that, I wouldn't feel the need to speak. Wise people, as you would normally picture them, would be silent, taking in life and "feeling the magic" of everything.

I can't explain it really. They just sit there, in all their wisdom... Unless of course, they need to fight! Then he kicks a$$! 😆 He's just plain cool in every aspect! It's an elf thing that drives me to love him so much. It's all about the culture and spirituality of the elves. Cool! 😮‍💨

lol what a post shadowy!!!

If Boromir had that armur he had when they reclaimed Osgiliath, he would have won, the arrows wouldint get trough the metal, and I also got my bets on that Boromir can handle a bow

Dude Boromir wearing that Gondorian Armor looked so freaking awesome!

Just to add my thoughts to the original question: Boromir would win. As someone pointed out in the beginning, Boromir was said to be the living reincarnation of King Earnur, the man who destroyed Angmar, the kingdom of the King of the Nazgul. He was eventually killed in single battle by the Witch-King, but that's not the point. Legolas would have been killed quicker.

Let us consider the evidence. Throughout the books, Legolas does no consider hand-to-hand fighting. In the movie he does more, but still not of the extent that Boromir does. He kills from afar with his bow, but Boromir would not be unsuspecting.

Now Boromir, however, has been fighting all his life. He held Osgiliath and the river when even Faramir could not. He was Gondor's chief general in all but name for years. He died fighting a horde of orcs alone, killed in the end by having (in the books) many arrows shot into him, or, in the movies, three or four.

Who would win? I think the evidence points to Boromir.

I would, however, say that they would never fight, they are both too good to turn against each other. This is entirely hypothetical.

Originally posted by Earnur

Let us consider the evidence. Throughout the books, Legolas does no consider hand-to-hand fighting. In the movie he does more, but still not of the extent that Boromir does. He kills from afar with his bow, but Boromir would not be unsuspecting.

Great post. 🙂

That's one of my new found problems too. 🙁 They changed Legolas skills and abilities in the movie to the extent that he's almost unkillable. They made him too over the top when it comes to fighting skills that's why I'm always having some troubles everytime I have to emphasize some things about it. I always have to clarify that "I'm talking about the book-Legolas", or "I'm talking about the movie-Legolas" because they're like completely different people already. Not like the other characters that I could still bring up their book character incarnations whenever I'm trying to prove a point. It works for both versions. Not on Legolas though. 🙁 Book-Legolas is not that good and freaking perfect.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Boromir was the greatest warrior in the Fellowship. He was renowned throughout human civilisation for his might in battle; the living re-incarnation of King Earnur, they called him, who was much the same...

I second this, Legolas wouldnt stand a chance unless he was a good 50 yards away.

Bow and arrow=boring
Sword and Shiled=badass

Originally posted by shadowy_blue
I've read all Tolkien books, I watched all movies, I've been to hundreds of websites about LOTR, the Elves, and everything so I know what the Elven qualities are. Those qualities that you are talking about (being in touch with nature, uttering words of wisdom, etc.) are not exactly specific Legolas character depth but a general Elven quality. It's just like how Men generally in Middle-earth are gruff and rugged, how the Hobbits in general are merry and cheerful and all that. Legolas as a character has no depth. Did we ever see his emotions? Did we see how he was thinking? Did he had any temptations? Do you know anything about his background other than being the Son of Thranduil and one of the Nine Walkers? Heck, does he even have any problem?

What I was saying is, compared to Boromir (that is the very point of this thread), Legolas is NOTHING when it comes to character depth.

It's good that they're friends and all, but I wouldn't call it character depth. I befriended my most worst enemy at school. Does that make me deep?

No he's not. Tolkien NEVER said when he was born or what his age is. He was the most enigmatic member of the Fellowhip. That 2,931 years old is just a movie promotional info.

I'm not saying that he's not intelligent. But being intelligent and wise doesn't necessarily make a person rich in personality and character. Being wise doesn't trigger emotion and character. I know several intelligent and bright people who are very flat when it comes to emotion and personality.

I NEVER said he should always speak and blabber around. You can feel a person's depth without doing so. But sadly, Tolkien didn't frequently gave us some insights of how Legolas thinks and feels about a situation. Even though he didn't have to speak, we should at least know what's going on inside him. It worked for other characters.

That's nice.

I said before that I partially love Legolas because he's cute, and I think an awesome character in fighting, but also because he's an elf. I like elves and everything they stand for, which is the main reason I respect them. And yes, I definitely saw his emotions! And I haven't even seen the extended versions yet, but those are the ones I'm going to get. I can't answer the question about his history and stuff, because I've never specifically looked up anything about it. I MIGHT know what you mean by "problem"...

And in a movie, yes, that WOULD make you a deep character. It would be a breakthrough for you and the "worst enemy", and it was even more of one when Legolas and Gimli not only tolerated each other, but became the best of friends. Especially for an elf and a dwarf. That must have been tough letting go of differences like that, just to see in the end that there was no reason to hate each other.

Either way, he IS old, like most other elves. You can tell just by the way that they act and speak. To be "the enigma" is fine. That is one of the coolest character types, to most people I know as well.

I didn't say, nor should it have been implied, that I said that intelligence triggers character and emotion. I said he was wise, and that was one reason I liked him, not a reason for all elves or a reason he showed character.

But I'll say this much. If I was 1,000 or whatever years old, as wise as an owl, with cool-looking ears (LOL) and fighting skills like his and with a poetry streak in me (I'll show you where I found it), I would just walk around, following everyone, confident but not too much, with a pretty much expressionless face. I can't explain it. It's just the way someone like that would act to most people.

What does "That's nice" mean? Do you mean I'm a fangirl who can't keep her mouth shut--which I'm NOT, because I don't love Legolas 100% because he's Orlando Bloom; I have good reasons to like him and I say them(!!!)--or, are you just saying you have no comment?

Originally posted by LegolasLuva
And yes, I definitely saw his emotions!

And in a movie, yes, that WOULD make you a deep character. It would be a breakthrough for you and the "worst enemy", and it was even more of one when Legolas and Gimli not only tolerated each other, but became the best of friends.

In the book it was further described and emphasized so I will give him that, but like I said, for the point of this thread, his depth still doesn't compare to Boromir's. I don't care if Legolas has any depth or not, because even if he has, it's still not very deep not like the other complex and multidimensional characters in the books and movies.

I didn't say, nor should it have been implied, that I said that intelligence triggers character and emotion. I said he was wise, and that was one reason I liked him, not a reason for all elves or a reason he showed character.

What does "That's nice" mean? Do you mean I'm a fangirl who can't keep her mouth shut--which I'm NOT, because I don't love Legolas 100% because he's Orlando Bloom; I have good reasons to like him and I say them(!!!)--or, are you just saying you have no comment? [/B]

well i think they would both lose

legolas *shoots*

bromir: *is hit* an arrow...dude they dontbother me, read the book! *slash*

legolas: is cut, slowly bleeds to death* *shoots boromir some more*

frodo: ITS THE RING, IT TURNS US AGAINST EACH OTHER

both: shut up midget

sam: you did NOT just insult frodo!! *kills everyone*

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gandalf: sam no, dont do itttt
sam: they insulted my lover....i mean master...yes thats it 😖hify: hes the master...im the naughty schoolboy...oh i love those games
gandalf: dude.......*silence for about 30 seconds* can i play!!

roflmao

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Originally posted by shadowy_blue
Emotions? Like when Gandalf fell and Boromir died, and Aragorn fell off a cliff and stuff like that? OK..I'll give him that..let's say he has some depth some how, but you see, the very point of this thread is comparing him to Boromir, and like I've said above, Legolas has some depth (OK..I'll now revise it from no depth at all), but he still doesn't hold any candle compared to Boromir if that's where we're going at.

That could give you some character depth, for some movies, probably. But not from how LOTR movies were made and how his relationship with Gimli was handled. Being a deep character doesn't depend whether or not you did the most outrageous and extraordinary thing in this world, but how you did them, and how you felt and thought about it. I wouldn't consider his being sudden friends with Gimli an extreme character depth because there wasn't enough emphasis on it. Now, if the filmmakers had actually took the time to show us how they gradually became friends and buddies, if they actually showed us what triggered them to be friends and accept their differences, then yes, I will call it character depth both on Legolas and Gimli's part because they wouldn't be friends without the other. But no, what did we see in the movie? They throw a few insults back and forth and the next movie they're butt buddies. Nice, multidimensional character development right there. Yeah, I guess suddenly they forgot about the centuries of racial tension between their two races. And don't tell me it's because of screentime, we have a lot of time for EEs, and I'm not asking for 3 hours of Gimli-Legolas friendship dedication time either.

In the book it was further described and emphasized so I will give him that, but like I said, for the point of this thread, his depth still doesn't compare to Boromir's. I don't care if Legolas has any depth or not, because even if he has, it's still not very deep not like the other complex and multidimensional characters in the books and movies.

Yeah, but I wasn't asking you why you like him. You quoted my earlier post where I said that he has no depth and you gave your own input about it, then suddenly in one same post you jumped about his and the Elves' intelligence? What do you suppose should I interpret about that? Of course as far as I'm concerned, I would think that you were using the intelligence issue to validify your point about his depth.

Kinda being mad there, are we? I said that's nice, without any sarcasm or anything. I'm actually happy for you for liking the Elves and all. What's wrong with that?

No, I 've seen many more instances of him like that. But I'm not going to take the time to post them. All threads will get off topic SOMEWHERE. It's just unavoidable. But Boromir was only in the first one, and I can't really recall much of any emotion he showed. He was kind of a key character, so that would be more emphasized automatically.

No, I never said it was "extreme" character depth. It doesn't matter what kind of movie it is. All movies (good ones, at least) have some kind of sidestory, no matter how man there are, and this just happened to be one of them in Lord of the Rings. It's kind of like saying that in a fantasy movie, comedy shouldn't be there. But hey, Lord of the Rings has some comedy, everyone likes it and it IS funny! It is a little part of screentime, though... I said a LITTLE, so don't argue with me on that comment.

Well then, I guess we were both wrong there then. I was saying that part of why I liked him was because of cultural depth, the lives of the elves. Background cultural depth is part of a characters' depth as well as anything else, although it may not be shown too well. Sometimes you need research... Intelligence is one reason why I like him, and the general wisdom and experience of the Elves' culture in itself can be considered a trait of depth in him. Well, I can't really word it very good... So, yeah. That probably didn't make a whole lot of sense.

Two little words don't say much to me. We can't hear each other, so we don't know how the other person is saying something unless they explain it or make it totally obvious. Or they can also add smilies... Thanx anyway! Nothing wrong with that, and I'm happy I like them too! Elves R cUl. 😎

Hhm...this thing will never end. I still stand by my view..and you stand by yours. Let's just agree to disagree. Nice talking though...🙂

😇 Tee hee! Thank you! I'm sure it would never end... It never does at frostcloud.com But there, you're supposed to keep expressing your views. The more long-winded, the better! Philosophy, science, technology, culture, off-topic... Good site! I like it, even though no one really ever agrees with me, but I cet compliments saying that I'm very smart for a 14 year-old. Of course I just post about Lord of the Rings here, so you could never really know my opinions on stuff like that. My name there is DotHacker 🙂, in case you'd like to know. I try to defend the Lord of the Rings movies there, too. You can read those, but I'm the only one whose taking on all 3 or 4 of the book people! I always have a response, though! 😎

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I also like long discussions about some stuff, but not necessarily stuff like opinions and insights, because once you've discussed about it with someone who has a different view than yours, your discussion will never end. I post stuff to prove some points, but once I've posted them and proved them, and the other side still doesn't agree (or we still didn't reach any resolutions about the arguments), then I'll stop. There's just some refusals of understanding, if you know what I mean. The argument will never end so it's better if one will cut it already. 🙂

I like to post long discussions about the things in the book, some revelations, speculations, and all that. I'm not very fond of opinionated discussions so much. 😛

Thanks for the link, though you have to hide it from Kit. 😛

Huh? Why? What're they going to do with it? 😬 I don't know much about any of you here yet. 😕

I also don't know why..for some reason..they don't allow to post hyperlinks here..*shrugs*..I'm also wondering about it myself. *shrugs again* 😕

I don't know how to "hide it", though. Am I gonna be in trouble?! ❌