Magneto vs Nova Prime

Originally posted by carver9
So every Herald can be a team wrecker with a team of Heralds on it and consistently at that. Magneto fought the Avengers more than once, a team with Thor and Ironman on it and he was winning.

Magneto much like graviton has a very difficult powerset to match up with. High level manipulation of a fundamental force of physics.

@dmills
I don't think I have those scans.

Originally posted by cdtm
Compressed gravimetric pulse is pretty op.

Moonstone had more raw power, but Richard one shot her with that trick.

Wonder if Mags shields would be able to stop it?

She does not have more raw power. He pretty much was holding back the whole time, but ended it quickly when he realized she could not be reasoned with. What was impressive was him able to one shot her easily even though she increased his gravity 170x...

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
@dmills
I don't think I have those scans.

She does not have more raw power. He pretty much was holding back the whole time, but ended it quickly when he realized she could not be reasoned with. What was impressive was him able to one shot her easily even though she increased his gravity 170x...

You posted them in that Nova vs Supergirl thread a long while back.

Yep. He also casually dealt with her when he fought the Thunderbolts.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
@dmills
I don't think I have those scans.

She does not have more raw power. He pretty much was holding back the whole time, but ended it quickly when he realized she could not be reasoned with. What was impressive was him able to one shot her easily even though she increased his gravity 170x...

Seemed like she was shrugging off his main blasts though...

Either way, the concept of an ultra compressed "gravity bullet" sounds like something that would ko just about anyone.

Originally posted by cdtm
Seemed like she was shrugging off his main blasts though...

Either way, the concept of an ultra compressed "gravity bullet" sounds like something that would ko just about anyone.

He was trying to talk her out of the fight the whole time. Looked to me whatever attack he used was just to slow her down or get her attention. Mid fight he even say "we don't have to do this". While blasting her one time, he was actually telling her "youre being controlled... Listen to me"

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Cosmic is right.

There was a Graviton vs Magneto thread, and I was corrected by someone more knowledgeable of these things than I was. The discussion ended with magneto being the stronger of the two based on magnetism VS gravity.

Let's get into the meat of this battle. What does mags have working in his favor in this battle? What does Nova? How do they counter each others shields?

The gravitational force is the weakest of the four fundamental forces . It merely has the greatest range of all four .

Between 2 bodies , with each having a numerically equal mass(kg) and charge(coulomb) , the electromagnetic force is orders of magnitude larger than the gravitational force .

For eg . between two electrons , the electromagnetic force(of repulsion) is 10^42 times higher than the gravitational force(of attraction) . Between two protons , the difference is 10^36 .

Electromagnetism wins by default .

All that this line of argument does is muddy the waters.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
The gravitational force is the weakest of the four fundamental forces . It merely has the greatest range of all four .

Between 2 bodies , with each having a numerically equal mass(kg) and charge(coulomb) , the electromagnetic force is orders of magnitude larger than the gravitational force . I'd also like to add their physical capacity to carry such a load when manipulating these forces.

For eg . between two electrons , the electromagnetic force(of repulsion) is 10^42 times higher than the gravitational force(of attraction) . Between two protons , the difference is 10^36 .

Electromagnetism wins by default .

Yep.. Real world physicswise, you've explained what I was trying to say the whole time. When it comes to this fight, it doesn't matter as much. Talking about powerwise, it really comes down to how much these 2 can manipulate their respective fundamental forces and the amount of power they can draw upon.

Merely adding my two cents to the electromagnetism VS gravitation argument which was raised in this thread .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Merely adding my two cents to the electromagnetism VS gravitation argument which was raised in this thread .

Yep. Thank you for it btw. To add to my previous post, their physical ability to control/manipulate such tremendous forces should also be put into question.

I still think the nodes will filter out Magneto's power.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Yep. Thank you for it btw. To add to my previous post, their physical ability to control/manipulate such tremendous forces should also be put into question.

I was actually responding to dmills , but yeah , you're right , in a forum fight , it comes down to how well the characters are able use their respective ability .

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Yep.. Real world physicswise, you've explained what I was trying to say the whole time. When it comes to this fight, it doesn't matter as much. Talking about powerwise, it really comes down to how much these 2 can manipulate their respective fundamental forces and the amount of power they can draw upon.

For example in comic physics Graviton has been shown wield gravity powerful enough to manipulate, block, and overcome various forms of electromagnetism. He has dissipated electromagnetic fields using gravity, stating that he can disrupt the cohesion of electromagnetism (he is a comic book physicist, so he knows that).

I don't think Nova Prime has Graviton-level abilities but his gravity powers should be of some help.

Originally posted by basilisk
Yeah even as far as real world goes, despite the stronger and weaker forces, strong enough gravity does affect electromagnetic fields. On the other hand electromagnetism can work against gravity, like picking something up/levitating with a magnet, but I don't think it actually affects the gravitational force directly unlike the other way around.

For example in comic physics Graviton has been shown wield gravity powerful enough to manipulate, block, and overcome various forms of electromagnetism. He has dissipated electromagnetic fields using gravity, stating that he can disrupt the cohesion of electromagnetism (he is a comic book physicist, so he knows that).

I don't think Nova Prime has Graviton-level abilities but his gravity powers should be of some help.

Just to piggy back on what you said with some comic examples. One stargate in a planet's atmosphere is enough to wreck the electromagnetic field around the planet or so it goes. Also when Ego was in close proximity to Earth all hell started to break lose with freak electromagnetic storms until the worldmind (who uses a portion of Nova's power btw) put up a gravity buffer between the two planets. Reed thought he had suspended the laws of physics lol.

One time there was an incident where Nova became enraged and the backlash from his gravimetric energy blew out Reed's computers/equipment similar to how an EMP would.

In another issue Supernova stated that if he forcefully removed Nova's power then said power would obliterate Earth's electromagnetic field effectively crippling the planet.