Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Did you not see the subsequent lines where i put emphasis on the fact that it was just a theoretical strategy, just like yours and anyone elses. If you dont think it would play out like that then fine, argue your point thats what this forums for 🙂
he did. thats when you pulled out some crap about how thats not how forum fights work 😐
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Incorrect. For a start as per forum rules we as debators are supposed to overlook PIS. Current Ms Marvel has been shown to have speed that would easily allow her to speed blitz as per a DC character:http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/MsMarvel/MsMarvel03p04and05.jpg
Here you can see Ms Marvel flying through Earths atmosphere into orbit. The speed needed to reach orbit is 17, 478 mph:
http://exploration.grc.nasa.gov/education/rocket/rktrflght.html
Just to reiterate, you are incorrect.
Classic Rogue flies at subsonic speeds:
Level 3 which peaks at 700 mph.
So are you saying that a telepath doesnt need to consciously think about and decide on what course of action they want to take before taking it? Do you think a telepath doesnt have to reason and that their power does everything for them without them having a say in the matter? Are you seriously going to argue that? I think youre getting confused by the term thought and action are one and what that entails. With telepaths, because their thoughts are their power, once they've assessed a situation and decided on a plan of action, their thought signal to act is one and the same as their attack. THAT is what it means. So my point still stands and your point is still redundant.
Emma with her very human reactions is still going to have to register whats going on, weigh up her options and then take a plan of action. Once she does decide her thought will be one with her attack because she is a psionic, however her human reaction times lets her down because Ms Marvel with her superhuman reaction time and ability to fly at speeds approaching 18,000 mph would long have taken her out.
Not at all because when speaking to Lilandra in space, Professor X generally used Cerebro. His powers were therefore amped, so this was a poor example.
My point still stands. As per forum rules the speed of thought is recognised here as 30 metres per second. Not good enough.
As i explained to you above you are confused. Emma has to think to. Its just that when she does decide on a plan of action Emmas thought is her action. However Storms powers as stated are psionically operated as well, when she decides on a plan of action, her thoughts will energy patterns to result in whatever effect shes going for. So admittedly there would be some latency. However when you look at how much faster lightning is(60, 000 metres per second) over psi energy (30 metres per second), plus you factor in Storms arguably slightly greater reaction time being a far better hand to hand fighter than Emma it really doesnt matter unless they were in close quarters.
Agreed. And yet Storms attacks are faster, by on panel showings shes a far greater hand to hand fighter and athlete than Emma so it would stand to reason she has slightly greater reaction time than her. In close quarters its a toss up who would be able to hit who first between Storm and Emma, but the exponentially faster attack and her debatably faster reaction times makes Storm the likely winner.
What youre forgetting is that the difference between the original Ms Marvel and the current Ms Marvel is Brood genetic alteration to make her Binary. Binary burnt out her powers saving a star, this didnt completely do away with her cosmic powers, it just severly weakened them. That is she still has energy manipulation and absorption powers, as well as dramatically greater superhuman speed as i've proven.
Given her proven and demonstrated abilities let me once again reiterate that Plot Induced Stupidity does not factor into forum debates where characters are fighting to the fullest of their capabilities.
No doubt Storm could smash Emma with steel projectiles if flimsy pieces of straw can pierce concrete when carried by hurricane winds both real world and in comics. However if you insist on dismissing that when it stands to reason lets look at another flaw of Emmas diamond form:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_elements_by_melting_point
The melting point of diamond is 3820 kelvin.
The temperature of lightning can easily reach up to 30, 000 k:
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/DavidFriedman.shtml
If she cant smash the b*tch she can sure as hell melt her 🙂
If the battle starts off in close quarters lets say 5 to 30 metres apart then Emma and Rogue have more chance of winning. Not overall, but more than they would otherwise due to Emmas decided plan of action being one and the same as her attack(action equals thought) and the forum rules pertaning to the speed of thought being 30 metres per second.
However with the common attack strategy of taking out the telepath first and with Ms Marvel having superhuman speed and reactions dramatically in excess of the others involved theres no reason why she cant cut loose with a wide reaching photon blast to incinerate Emma and at least stun Rogue, leaving both Storm and Ms Marvel free to completely decimate the southern belle.
Like a lifetime on the astral plane? Unless Emma meditating on the astral plane can somehow be turned into a winning strategy then your reference is completely irrelevant. The astral plane is a different plane of reality that telepaths and mystics can access through the mind and its connected to the thoughts of the living. As is common knowledge different planes of reality have different connections with time so time in one reality may be experienced at a faster or slower rate in another. (Please reference Ilyana and Limbo)
With that in mind saying real time is like a life time on the astral plane does not prove that telepaths have superhuman or even above normal reaction times and processing. Once again you got confused by the meaning and relevance of on panel occurences and statements. No matter.
Just to reiterate, Ms Marvel wins the match for team 1 because of her superior speed and superhuman reaction time. She initiates the assault killing Emma and stunning Rogue with a wide range high yield photon blast, giving time for Storm to back up and bring her weather powers into play. She could either work the atmosphere to choke Rogue to death whilst bombarding her with lightining. Or Ms Marvel and Storm could pair up and blow Rogue apart with a lightning/photon combo.
Game over. 😱
Wow!",)
Thank you for ratiocinating the case well.
