I agree that happens but I don't believe it's the case with David Icke. If it was then he wouldn't have to resort to making false claims about Israel manipulating and threatening the entire middle east. It's in fact, the other way round.
Here's what Mahmoud Ahnadinejad said in a speech to the so called "world without Zionism" conference about Israel.
"Our dear Imam (referring to Ayatollah Khomeini) said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map for great justice and this was a very wise statement. We cannot compromise over the issue of Palestine. Is it possible to create a new front in the heart of an old front. This would be a defeat and whoever accepts the legitimacy of this regime has in fact, signed the defeat of the Islamic world. Our dear Imam targeted the heart of the world oppressor in his struggle, meaning the occupying regime. I have no doubt that the new wave that has started in Palestine, and we witness it in the Islamic world too, will eliminate this disgraceful stain from the Islamic world"
Then there were other lesser known quotes such as.
Those who think they can revive the stinking corpse of the usurping and fake Israeli regime by throwing a birthday party are seriously mistaken. Today the reason for the Zionist regime's existence is questioned, and this regime is on its way to annihilation."
"the Zionist Regime of Israel faces a dead end and will under God's grace be wiped off the map."
"the Zionist Regime that is a usurper and illegitimate regime and a cancerous tumor should be wiped off the map."
So who's really making the threats here?
Why is it a bad thing to try and do everything possible to deny the most powerful weapons of mass destruction from getting into the hands of a leader who makes such vile statements?
Icke paints Israel to be a tyrannical and war mongering regime run by "absolute crazies" yet they have been bombarded with over 10,000 rocket attacks in the last 3 years...Had SCUD missles launched at them by Iraq in the 1st gulf war. Yet these supposedly "absolute crazies" have had nuclear weapons for 40+ years and never used them despite constant aggression from an entire continent of countries who want them obliterated.
If anything, Israel have been muted and restrained in regards to how they deal with their neighbours.
I would go over the 1st gesture in the now defunct peace process of forcibly removing it's own citizens from settlements in the Gaza strip in order to show commitment to peace in the area and that hand of reconcilliation being slapped away by the Palestinian people who less than a year after the withdrawl from Gaza, voted Hamas into power...A terrorist organisation hellbent on killing as many Israelis as possible.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Interesting, (and long) read. I do agree that Iran is not a threat - it will only become so if USA becomes involved in a war with them.Criticizing Israel is NOT anti-Semitic. Such attitude is retarded.
You really see no chance on a nuclear armed Iran secretly selling or giving WMDs to groups who would use said arms on Israeli soil?
Valid criticism, certainly isn't; there's a difference in saying something like "some of Israel's actions in the West Bank provoke and promote war" and something like "the Zionist are nothing more than murder happy tyrants."
The first being a valid argument, the later being nothing more than rambling Jew/Israel hatred.
Originally posted by Robtard
You really see no chance on a nuclear armed Iran secretly selling or giving WMDs to groups who would use said arms on Israeli soil?Valid criticism, certainly isn't; there's a difference in saying something like "some of Israel's actions in the West Bank provoke and promote war" and something like "the Zionist are nothing more than murder happy tyrants."
The first being a valid argument, the later being nothing more than rambling Jew/Israel hatred.
Iran has not started any wars in a REALLY long time, while USA remains trigger happy, especially in Iranian's neighbourhood.
Therefore, how can anyone think Iran will stand for having itself disarmed while two if it's biggest enemies have nukes? No nation would ever accept such ridiculous terms.
Would USA accept having Iran, Iraq and other enemy states with nukes, while she is disarmed? I don't think so.
Just going ''oh Iran will do this, and Iran will do that'' when they have done NOTHING of the sort, is a speculation that will drive USA into another unnecessary and devastating war.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Out of curiosity Deano, did you type all that up yourself, or did you copy+paste it from a site?
Originally posted by Bardock42
Why do you do this? In regular intervals you decide to knowingly emerge from the conspiracy forum to post a vast conspiracy theory in the GDF. Do you have the times marked in the calendar? What gives?
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
It's good to see that you don't mindlessly repeat things to people like some sort of parrot-cum-sheep being with no will of it's own. Seeing as you're a conspiracy theorist devoted to freeing people from their own blindness they would be hysterical.
Originally posted by King Kandy
I see no source. Reported for plagiarism.
You sad bunch!! why not comment on the topics ,add opposing opinions instead of letting loose some kindergarten like rants. These comments are those of people who either cannot except the truth, don´t want to except the truth or are too thick to be able to put valid arguments against the points made.
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i really wish i had the attention span or will power to read those posts.Can someone break those posts down for me, in a paragraph or less?
To cut a long post short.
Isreal, the USA and other western countries are controlled by rich zionists & bankers like the Rothchilds. So Israel can do what it wants whilst other countries can´t, ie have loads of nukes, attack and kill who they want.
Anyone opposing this like Kennedy gets assasinated.
There´s US and Israeli war ships heading for, or are near Iran, so Israel could be on a bombing attack on the Iranian Nuclear facility soon. Followed by an invasion of Iraq. So the NWO controls more countries near China.
Nothing quite beats fear-mongering eh?
Now hear this...Now hear this.
THERE WILL NOT BE A WAR IN OR WITH IRAN.
Why?...The US simply does not have the capability to do it successfully. The proof is in Iraq and Afghanistan...2 countries who, at the time of putting troops in, were far weaker than Iran is now.
Criticizing Israel is NOT anti-Semitic. Such attitude is retarded.
Correct. Provided it's based on actual FACTS...David Icke's article is not. He lies several times within the 1st few paragraphs to try and put across spurious points.
Therefore, how can anyone think Iran will stand for having itself disarmed while two if it's biggest enemies have nukes? No nation would ever accept such ridiculous terms.
Israel is only an enemy to Iran because Iran views it as such. It was and is the primary funder of Hamas and thus suicide bombing in Israel.
During the Pahlavi dynasty Iran and Israel had extremely close diplomatic ties...It was only after the Islamic revolution that IRAN chose to abandon those relations.
It should be noted, though, that the leadership of Iran is very out of touch with it's people. You only have to look at the protests by Iranian students against the current regime as evidence that Ahmadinejad doesn't really represent the nation at all. Initially millions of people were involved in those protests.
Originally posted by Bicnarok
You sad bunch!! why not comment on the topics ,add opposing opinions instead of letting loose some kindergarten like rants. These comments are those of people who either cannot except the truth, don´t want to except the truth or are too thick to be able to put valid arguments against the points made.
It's just in the wrong forum, and he does do that on a regular basis, the topic at hand doesn't interest me too much. Though I do agree that Israel behave like bullies, there's little denying that the Arab world is not behaving much better either, at times definitely worse. I do agree that a lot of the western media is very pro-Israel, especially in the US. Regardless, I am more interested in why Deano does this recurring thing, which is why I asked.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Well a modern prob in general is as soon as you start to talk about a topic and disagree with the mainstream medias you get called a) an idiot or b) a conspiracy theorist.
I only use conspiracy theorist when someone is discussing their theory of a conspiracy.
Though the term obviously has hugely negative implications nowadays because of people like Icke. I understand Deano doesn't like to be called that, but, imo, he furthers this stereotype by basically broadcasting any conspiracy theory he reads unfiltered.
This thread for example is so insanely biased to just one side, proclaiming a US and Israel conspiracy, that even though the topic can and should be discussed seriously, it very hard to do so jumping off of this "source".
Originally posted by Deano
because its worthy of discussion. it is a bit conspiracy based but not enough to put in the conspiracy forum
I wouldn´t say it´s conspiracy based, maybe a lob sided viewpoint but most of what was posted is actually true.
Israel can do what it wants, just take a look at the link below to see how many Un resolutions Israel totally ignores. Yet this sort of action was a main reason for attacking Iraq and now maybe even Iran.
The problem is Israel is depicted in the media as a stable, developed western like country, and Iran and any other potential enemies of the US as a bunch of lunatic´s who want to nuke Israel take of the world and cut all western non believers heads off.
http://salemshalom.blogspot.com/2007/12/heres-list-of-u.html
Originally posted by Bardock42
I only use conspiracy theorist when someone is discussing their theory of a conspiracy.Though the term obviously has hugely negative implications nowadays because of people like Icke. I understand Deano doesn't like to be called that, but, imo, he furthers this stereotype by basically broadcasting any conspiracy theory he reads unfiltered.
This thread for example is so insanely biased to just one side, proclaiming a US and Israel conspiracy, that even though the topic can and should be discussed seriously, it very hard to do so jumping off of this "source".
Alex Jones once compared David Icke to someone taking a big dump in a punch bowl.
I think the analogy works well here. The Israeli-America connection is worthy of investigation, but maybe Icke overstates some of his points, making it much less effective of a criticism.
Originally posted by Bicnarok
I wouldn´t say it´s conspiracy based, maybe a lob sided viewpoint but most of what was posted is actually true.Israel can do what it wants, just take a look at the link below to see how many Un resolutions Israel totally ignores. Yet this sort of action was a main reason for attacking Iraq and now maybe even Iran.
The problem is Israel is depicted in the media as a stable, developed western like country, and Iran and any other potential enemies of the US as a bunch of lunatic´s who want to nuke Israel take of the world and cut all western non believers heads off.
http://salemshalom.blogspot.com/2007/12/heres-list-of-u.html
and that was the point of the whole topic. hypocrisy.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Conspiracy is not a synonym for "untrue". So I don't see why it can't be both.
A conspiracy theory alleges an event and/or events to be SECRETLY influenced by a premeditated group and/or groups of powerful people or organizations working together.
The events concerning Israel can hardly be SECRET. Whether it´s the US over biased support, Israel´s preferable treatment concerning weapons of mass destruction, or any other hypocritical subject; they are plain to see.