captains vs espada
Just testing out some different Captain/Espada match-ups from what we got in the manga.
1. Kurotsuchi Mayuri vs. Aaroneiro Arrurerie
2. Komamura Sajin vs. Nnoitra Jiruga
3. Hitsugaya Toshiro vs. Yammy Rialgo
4. Genryûsai Shigekuni Yamamoto vs. Coyote Starrk
5. Zaraki Kenpachi vs. Grimmjow Jeagerjaquez
6. Kyoraku Shunsui vs. Ulquiorra Cifer (limited to his first release)
7. Shihoin Yoruichi (she used to be a captain) vs. Tia Harribel
How do these fights go?
1. Really a toss up. We didn't see what Aaroneiro's release could really do, but he has over 30,000 different abilities so it seems like Mayuri would have trouble coming up with something to counter all of them on short notice.
2. Can Sajin even pierce Nnoitra's hierro? Nnoitra would win I don't doubt.
3. It doesn't seem to me like any single captain (except Yamamoto) should be able to beat Yammy.
4. Yamamoto stomps. Badly.
5. Kenpachi should win.
6. I don't think Shunsui can hurt him (except with the color attack, maybe), he took a tenshou-enhanced blade and didn't have a scratch on him.
7. Harribel sucks, Yoruichi wins.
2. Can Sajin even pierce Nnoitra's hierro?
In terms of raw hitting power, I would think Sajin's bankai would be one of the highest.
6. I don't think Shunsui can hurt him (except with the color attack, maybe), he took a tenshou-enhanced blade and didn't have a scratch on him.
Shusui was beating Starrk without using his bankai, I think he'd beat any Espada (save *maybe* full release Yammy, but the thing about Espada 0 is he hasn't really shown much ability to hit a fast-moving target! Byakuya and Zaraki were slowly dismantling him last time we saw). The color attack should IMO be plenty to damage him.
7. Harribel sucks, Yoruichi wins.
I'm of the minority opinion that Harribel doesn't suck.
Yoruichi still wins of course. She's freaking Yoruichi 🙂
Originally posted by Q99
In terms of raw hitting power, I would think Sajin's bankai would be one of the highest.
Originally posted by Q99
Shusui was beating Starrk without using his bankai, I think he'd beat any Espada (save *maybe* full release Yammy, but the thing about Espada 0 is he hasn't really shown much ability to hit a fast-moving target! Byakuya and Zaraki were slowly dismantling him last time we saw). The color attack should IMO be plenty to damage him.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Sure, but if he gets in close with Sajin the bankai is useless. And I don't think Sajin's smaller weapon can hurt him.
Maybe, but I wouldn't be surprised if Sajin can get pretty precise with his bankai, and/or would be willing to take the hit in order to get them both.
Sure, he beat Starrk, but starrk has no durability feats that make me think he's harder to hurt that Ulquiorra. In terms of Durability, Ulquiorra seems to have stronger Hierro than anyone, really.
His speciality was suppose to be regen, though. I don't think his hierro was supposed to be stronger than Nnoitra's, though it was very strong.
Originally posted by Q99
Maybe, but I wouldn't be surprised if Sajin can get pretty precise with his bankai, and/or would be willing to take the hit in order to get them both.
Originally posted by Q99
His speciality was suppose to be regen, though. I don't think his hierro was supposed to be stronger than Nnoitra's, though it was very strong.
On a side note, Zommari(not being stupid) and Szayel(w/Gabriel) could kill most of these captain with little effort.(okay I'm lying about that)
Nnoitra would still win IMO; this is mostly due to him being the durable powerhouse of the espada and Komamura's bankai being a big ass voodoo doll of himself. One headshot or just taking down the giant in general should put Sajin out unless he somehow steps Jiruga.
Don't forget the giant is armored and almost certainly no more, and probably less, vulnerable than the captain himself, and Sajin is a really tough Captain, who'll probably take a lot of hits to take down.
It's not a "weakness" if it's not easy to do.
In both his non-released and first released forms, Ulquiorra tanked Ichigo's best shots without so much as blinking. Even if Ichigo is seemingly weak against the rest of the Gotei, vizard mask GT would make even Ukitake flinch(maybe).
Yea, but he's still #4 to Starrk's #1. If he's tougher than Starrk, it is not so much that Shusui's ability to do massive damage against Starrk shouldn't translate to the ability to do at least major damage against Ulquiorra.
Originally posted by Q99
Don't forget the giant is armored and almost certainly no more, and probably less, vulnerable than the captain himself, and Sajin is a really tough Captain, who'll probably take a lot of hits to take down.It's not a "weakness" if it's not easy to do.
Originally posted by Q99
Yea, but he's still #4 to Starrk's #1. If he's tougher than Starrk, it is not so much that Shusui's ability to do massive damage against Starrk shouldn't translate to the ability to do at least major damage against Ulquiorra.
In general, putting up Starrk against Yamamoto is just mean! I also wonder how Toshiro would hurt Yammy and Zeraki just confuses me! The guy gets his sword broken by Ichigo's shikai but is somehow able to cut throught Nnoitra's hierro just by holding his sword with both hands. I need someone to explain this case to please.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
I still doubt that Nnoitra can't take the giant out, but even if he couldn't it still wouldn't be that hard to dodge the giant and beat up Sajin would it?
Sajin's still trained in swordfighting.
In the official stats in the Bleach bootleg, strength, defense, and physical strength are all 100. Taking hits and dishing them out seems to be something he excels at, he's just quite slow and poor in kido in exchange.
If the size becomes an issue, he can always drop down to shikai too.
I don't think it'll be that easy to deal with him. The Giant's the strongest attack either of them can dish out, and in close Komamura is still physically in the top two of the modern captains.
Kyoraku most likely would beat Ulquiorra. I was just vouching for one of Ulquiorra's major durability feats, while Starrk was lacking in sorts. Speaking of which, I need a refresher as to what durability feats does Starrk actually have.
He was smacked by Love's giant metal mace thing. At least once in non-release, and he might've taken a hit when Love use his mask (and released in response).
The only one who actually seemed able to inflict damage on him was Shunsui.
In general, putting up Starrk against Yamamoto is just mean!
Yea, that's true. Yamamoto is just way above everyone except for Aizen.
I also wonder how Toshiro would hurt Yammy and Zeraki just confuses me! The guy gets his sword broken by Ichigo's shikai but is somehow able to cut throught Nnoitra's hierro just by holding his sword with both hands. I need someone to explain this case to please.
Quite simple, he was focusing his spirit energy a lot more against Nnoitra.
In the exact same way that Ichigo had his sword broken, but once he focused all his energy he could cut Zaraki too.
Originally posted by Q99
Yea, that's true. Yamamoto is just way above everyone except for Aizen.
He's above pre-Chrysalis stage Aizen.
Originally posted by dw6xl
Just testing out some different Captain/Espada match-ups from what we got in the manga.1. Kurotsuchi Mayuri vs. Aaroneiro Arrurerie
2. Komamura Sajin vs. Nnoitra Jiruga
3. Hitsugaya Toshiro vs. Yammy Rialgo
4. Genryûsai Shigekuni Yamamoto vs. Coyote Starrk
5. Zaraki Kenpachi vs. Grimmjow Jeagerjaquez
6. Kyoraku Shunsui vs. Ulquiorra Cifer (limited to his first release)
7. Shihoin Yoruichi (she used to be a captain) vs. Tia HarribelHow do these fights go?
1. If Mayuri gets prep for the fight, he'll probably find some way to stomp Aaronerio. If not, IMO, it depends on whether or not his bankai's poison mist is effective.
2. Hard to say. Nnoitra could probably avoid attacks from Sajin's bankai, but it could likely dish out more damage per strike than Kenpachi using Kendo.
3. I don't think Toshiro has any way of incapacitating Yammy when he's released. In his initial form, he was tanking damage from both Byakuya & Kenpachi, so Toshiro will have to rely on incapacitation.
4. Yamamoto would single-handedly stomp the entire Espada combined.
5. Grimmjow.
6. If Ulquiorra cannot use his Segunda form, Shunsui beats him.
7. I only see them getting down and dirty. droolio
1) hard to tell, but Mayuri should be able to win unless he gets too arrogant and leaves himself open to attack. then again, Rukia was able to kill Aaroniero, so Mayuri should actually have no problem.
2) this is pretty even, about 50-50 odds here.
3) they did briefly clash before, but not long enough to see what would happen. considering that some of Hitsugaya's attacks didn't work on him in base form, then Yammy could possibly win, if he could hit the little guy.
4) Yamamoto. definitely Yamamoto.
5) well, Grimmjow is considerably faster than Nnoitra, so if he can avoid a majority of Kenpachi's attacks, then he could win this.
6) I can understand why most people would say Ulquiorra is tougher/more powerful than Starrk, but most of Uluiorra's high end feats were done in Hueco Mundo, where all hollows/arrancar get a boost in power. Shunsui should win this given his battle against Starrk (even though it wasn't that crazy or anything).
7) Yourichi should win this given her speed and her 3-to-1 battle against Aizen (once again, not very long and not much shown, but she did hold her own) whereas Harribel got owned by Aizen before his hogyoku power up in just one or two slashes.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Judging by their different spiritual pressures (compare Tatsuki vs Nanao's reaction), Yamamoto still looks like he has the more raw power of the two.
Aizen's evolved. Isshin couldn't even feel his Spiritual Pressure when Aizen was in his Chrysalis, and I'm guessing that is also the case for his newest form.
Even if what Aizen has is still reiatsu, he was able to one-shot something that no other Shinigami could touch.