Originally posted by TheTyrant
And the lasso would do what when Apocalypse has shields? I mean Apocalypse doesn't usually start with shields up or go malleable when being punched, but why shouldn't he when you guys are taking Wonder Woman out of the character so that she fights to the best of her abilities despite never fighting so? Really, if I were to take Apoc out of character like you are, then there is no way in hell WW would stand a chance. Her range attacks wouldn't work due to Apoc's shields and neither would her strength due to his self manipulation. Either way, it's a win-win scenario for Apoc. He's better at everything minus some useless shit like fighting skill, agility, and speed. Superior versatility + teleportation + more experience > everything else. Hell, if we go by the actual mythology, Apocalypse would be even older than Zeus himself.Shields, or simply just pull the lasso to throw WW off balance. It's not like it hasn't happened before.
I only posted those as a response to Superman103's ignorance. If you read his comment, he said (and I'm paraphrasing) "Apocalypse loses all of his fights". Ikaris is a mid-herald level character and he had lost one of his abilities (I think it was the ability to heal or teleport), yet he still got [b]stomped
by Apocalypse (and Apocalypse didn't use either of the aforementioned abilities which Ikaris had lost). [/B]
*I* never described WW "fighting out of character" -- *my* views are based on her fighting as she has against beings of similar-ish abilities (White Martians, gods, et al), when she knows she is fighting someone with a wider range of "tricks" than she has.
Shields are a problem, sure, but not an insurmountable one.
Posting responses that are as ignorant/out of context as the one's that you are responding to don't help the debate -- they make it worse, and make your arguement less sound, not more so. *I'm* not saying Apoc can't win a good number of fights against WW -- of course he can. *However*, it is misleading to think WW can't make her share of wins against him, given her specific abilities/fighting techniques/having fought beings with similar abilities in the past. Lastly, the "pulling WW when she's lassoed you"-trick occurs only rarely -- the lasso doesn't merely bind a target physically, but mystically as well. Sure, some PIS moments have happened (as to all characters), but by and large, much like with Mjolner (though obviously with a different theme/motif), WW's lasso can make for a one-shot in a number of situations, against a number of beings. Always/all-the-time? Of course not. But it shouldn't be disregarded, especially as Apoc has rarely faced anything like it before, while WW has fought beings with many/most of Apoc's powerset on numerous occasions...
Just saying...
