Twilight vs the Military

It's a HOUSE, not a BUNKER.

If I'm going to even put up with this nonsense, I want you to provide me with some sort of actual proof that military protocol for dealing with targets in an ordinary, unfortified building is "massive bombardment from air, sea, and land."

Also, if you're such a stickler for military protocol, why the hell is there a battleship involved? You do realize that at the moment, there is not a single battleship in service, even amongst the reserves, of any nation as far as we know? They're museum pieces.

EDIT: Wasting ammo was for your ingenious comment that the infantry will fire on the enemy before engaging them, not the bombardment that probably wouldn't happen. What you're describing would produce enough smoke and dust that no one would be able to see into it, and sending infantry in at that point is what's commonly referred to as "a bad idea."

the battle ship was the carrier from the movie tears of the sun which was bruce willis command support,,, 🙄

also the military doesnt care if you are in a bunker or in a building plus a vampire family would warrant the use of standard bombardment aka shock and awe.. we did it during the start of desert storm and operation freedom..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R30cbnkMG3s

plus in the movies they all did it its backed up by movie feats as well as real life operating procedure..

plus i was a marine and i was security as well as an arty mech and operator in the field.. and i fired howitzers and also loaded them..

😐

Then you meant to say aircraft carrier. An aircraft carrier is not a battleship. Good lord.

Pretty link. They were bombing military targets, not residential homes. A power plant would require a lot more force to take out than a house on stilts in the woods. So, again: Provide proof, otherwise this is pure and utter speculation / BS on your part and the rest of us are free to speculate everyone leaves the house before the explosions start happening.

Working security and on artillery only tells me you are not a reliable source for higher levels of operational protocol. It tells me you know how to work with a howitzer and work security.

sigh... you are lucky we will never meet.. we called airstrikes and bombardment on homes regularly when they dig themselves in or we know for a fact that the home is filled with insurgents..

here we know the vamps live in the home.. but fine if movie feats calling for support now have to be substantiated by real life procedures fine..

airstrike on a single person
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzcYz_ljyTg

airstrike on a residential home
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRj9ChX4JkM&feature=related

we even bomb and machine gun fire on men walking on the street from choppers .. for gods sake and thas not even including a waiver we had to sign when a bomb was dropped on a funeral gathering to kill one taliban leader that we were forced to watch and not talk about.. facepalm

Alright. I'll space this reply apart so you'll hopefully understand it this time.

I understand that the military likes to soften targets with an airstrike when they're dug in. People living in a home and going about their daily lives is the OPPOSITE of being dug in.

And when they DO call in an air strike on a single, small residential building, they do not do so on a scale you're describing. BOTH of those links showed a single explosion. One. Uno. A single tally mark. The Roman numeral I.

Things I did not see: entire batteries of artillery opening up while airstrikes bombed and strafed the targets with rockets.

And, for whatever reason, you didn't bother reading the first link before you threw it out there: it's against more than one person. As evidenced by the use of the words "Syrian and Saudi insurgents." When there's more than one of something, we add an "s" to it, unless it already ends in one. That's how the english language works.

And seeing as how trying to hammer that through your head is like trying to convince a drill sergeant to pipe down, I'll go do something less stressful. Like herding cats, or politicians.

McClane wins.

i am going to be as polite as possible just stop posting... you are acting as if their will be danger from the cullin home from fall out they are the only home there.. and one standard arty round would kill them and you also think that some how a vampire would get the same treatment as a human.. they are not human nor do they get human right procedures

plus in the movie feats in soldier its exacly what they did.. and bruce willis tried at the end of the movie repeatedly once he had engaged the african soldiers his command refuse b/c they were under orders not to cause an international incident after that they dropped hellfire and what not..

in the movie windtalker their wasnt a time they werent ordering an artillery strike it was also wide burst for effect since so many ppl are running all over the field but they were also able to give precise coordinates to take out artillery nest and here they already know where the home is..

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
and one standard arty round would kill them

You keep saying this, and you know this because?

Originally posted by Placidity
You keep saying this, and you know this because?

Vampire human rights wuuuuuuuuuuuut

So like, nothing happens to the Twivamps, at all.

Alice sees the attack, they relocate due to their non-confrontational error.

Since they can run in a straight line at hundreds of miles per hour (as fast or faster than a jet airliner), their will be no trace before the strike even happens.

As soon as an order or even a decision is passed down to destroy the Cullens, Alice will immediately see it. The only thing anyone has to do is decide to attack them, that's it.

Besides, a vampire treats a car, traveling at speed, like a piece of styrofoam. I'd say that the only reason the heads were getting shattered, like they were in movie 4, is due to how rediculously strong the vampires are. They are producing far more force than a bullet would produce.

And the repeated shots to the same spot is BS because they would heal very quickly so it's not like you could weaken one area...it heals in a couple of seconds.

If the Twivamps really wanted to put up a fight, they'd just attack the COs of every unit, long before they even arrive in Forks.

Finally, it was already stated that no human army could stand up to even a 20-man army of newborn twivamps, and the cullens with the werewolves destroyed them, without a single loss from their side at all.

Even without Alice, Emmett solos the entire force. 😐

Originally posted by dadudemon
So like, nothing happens to the Twivamps, at all.

Alice sees the attack, they relocate due to their non-confrontational error.

Since they can run in a straight line at hundreds of miles per hour (as fast or faster than a jet airliner), their will be no trace before the strike even happens.

As soon as an order or even a decision is passed down to destroy the Cullens, Alice will immediately see it. The only thing anyone has to do is decide to attack them, that's it.

Besides, a vampire treats a car, traveling at speed, like a piece of styrofoam. I'd say that the only reason the heads were getting shattered, like they were in movie 4, is due to how rediculously strong the vampires are. They are producing far more force than a bullet would produce.

And the repeated shots to the same spot is BS because they would heal very quickly so it's not like you could weaken one area...it heals in a couple of seconds.

If the Twivamps really wanted to put up a fight, they'd just attack the COs of every unit, long before they even arrive in Forks.

Finally, it was already stated that no human army could stand up to even a 20-man army of newborn twivamps, and the cullens with the werewolves destroyed them, without a single loss from their side at all.

Even without Alice, Emmett solos the entire force. 😐

Wuuuuuuuut?

Couple of mistakes in my post.

Going down the list...

it should read "...nonconfrontational ways."

it should read "...they were in movie 3, is..."

So, to expand, a full-force punch from a vampire has many times the force of a bullet...even a high caliber bullet.

Just arm-wrestling a lone, was enough force to shatter a large boulder, when Emmett's hand it the boulder. That's far more force than high-caliber rounds can produce. The high-caliber rounds would just bounce or embed ino the very large rock, at best: not shatter the entire thing.

Movie 4 isn't out yet, though, so we won't get to see the arm-wreslting match, yet. Should be a cool scene, but I do not have my hopes high as they might ruin it or even eliminate it.

Originally posted by Placidity
You keep saying this, and you know this because?

I watched a fight-clip from Eclipse, by all account, they are indeed made of marble, one particularly gayish looking Twink vampire gets his hand snapped off; the insides look like smooth and dry marble, it sounds even mimic what breaking stone sounds like.

So WildShadow's claim that one mortar shell would kill them seems accurate, as a mortar shell would shatter marble, easily too.

^ no ones denying that, at least no one with common knowledge of ballistics. Point is, the vamps are too fast to get hit.

Yeah, I really can't see a vampire getting hit here, lest they walk into a bullet.

Originally posted by dadudemon
So like, nothing happens to the Twivamps, at all.

Alice sees the attack, they relocate due to their non-confrontational error.

Since they can run in a straight line at hundreds of miles per hour (as fast or faster than a jet airliner), their will be no trace before the strike even happens.

As soon as an order or even a decision is passed down to destroy the Cullens, Alice will immediately see it. The only thing anyone has to do is decide to attack them, that's it.

Besides, a vampire treats a car, traveling at speed, like a piece of styrofoam. I'd say that the only reason the heads were getting shattered, like they were in movie 4, is due to how rediculously strong the vampires are. They are producing far more force than a bullet would produce.

And the repeated shots to the same spot is BS because they would heal very quickly so it's not like you could weaken one area...it heals in a couple of seconds.

If the Twivamps really wanted to put up a fight, they'd just attack the COs of every unit, long before they even arrive in Forks.

Finally, it was already stated that no human army could stand up to even a 20-man army of newborn twivamps, and the cullens with the werewolves destroyed them, without a single loss from their side at all.

Even without Alice, Emmett solos the entire force. 😐

Originally posted by dadudemon
Couple of mistakes in my post.

Going down the list...

it should read "...nonconfrontational ways."

it should read "...they were in movie 3, is..."

So, to expand, a full-force punch from a vampire has many times the force of a bullet...even a high caliber bullet.

Just arm-wrestling a lone, was enough force to shatter a large boulder, when Emmett's hand it the boulder. That's far more force than high-caliber rounds can produce. The high-caliber rounds would just bounce or embed ino the very large rock, at best: not shatter the entire thing.

Movie 4 isn't out yet, though, so we won't get to see the arm-wreslting match, yet. Should be a cool scene, but I do not have my hopes high as they might ruin it or even eliminate it.

thread is now finally over.. thanks to DDM

The thread was over before it started. Buncha badass HUMANS versus the Twivamps? They aint McClane, dude.

poor vamps never had a chance .. i dont think anyone ever called them McClane..

anyways.. i never saw fighting speed of the twivamps being anything real special since it wasnt even a big part of the fighting scenes and the dumb B$#@ girlfriend a mere human could see the fighting at normal speed.

No, John McClane solos the Twivamps. Just ask Robtard, he'll tell you.