Originally posted by lightyeargee
Surfer could beat a giant with all the powers of all the New Gods including Takion and HighFather? Surfer could beat someone who made Orion and Light Ray look like feebs? Surfer ould beat The I'm who was so powerful that with a wave of his hand he dismissed the gravity of a universe? DS did and can. Surfer and the runner are out classed.
Surfer defeated Tenebrous and Aegis so that must mean that he is superior to Seid amirite?
Originally posted by psycho gundam
i guess you forgot the picture you posted mere days ago showing darkseid casually defeating orion with a shockwave of energy from his hand. firestorm withstood it though.see what happens when you cherry pick feats
That goes both ways, too. The people constantly citing the infamous loss to Superman in Apokolips Now simply cherry pick in the opposite direction..
Originally posted by psycho gundamDS didn't wave his hand at Firestorm. Or didn't you notice that? He was dismissing Orion and Mr. Miracle and tells them that this is none of thier business. Then DS reaches into the Firestorm matrix and pulls stein out of it.
i guess you forgot the picture you posted mere days ago showing darkseid casually defeating orion with a shockwave of energy from his hand. firestorm withstood it though.see what happens when you cherry pick feats
Originally posted by TheTyrantSeid Busted the source wall that not even Celestial bodies such as T and A could do. Also captured Cyborg Superman, that not even the source wall could hold. And Surfer Merely channeled energy that was not his own when beating T and A. If that were the case, DS held the all powerful Ares with the Godwave in hardened time and space.
Surfer defeated Tenebrous and Aegis so that must mean that he is superior to Seid amirite?
Originally posted by lightyeargee
Seid Busted the source wall that not even Celestial bodies such as T and A could do. Also captured Cyborg Superman, that not even the source wall could hold. And Surfer Merely channeled energy that was not his own when beating T and A. If that were the case, DS held the all powerful Ares with the Godwave in hardened time and space.
lol, you speak as if breaking through the Source Wall is impressive shit. It isn't. Others have done it and some of them aren't even close to Galactus level.
lol you speak as if the Wave is impressive shit. It isn't.
Originally posted by TheTyrant
lol, you speak as if breaking through the Source Wall is impressive shit. It isn't. Others have done it and some of them aren't even close to Galactus level.
lol you speak as if the Wave is impressive shit. It isn't.
It takes Greater than Skyfather Power to complete it. Far Greater. Even Abstract level beings got stuck in it. And yes, defeating Mr. Miracle and Orion with a hand wave is very impressive. Surfer, nor the Runner, nor Thanos could do it. demeaning the feats is your only defense?
Originally posted by TheTyrantNot individual, combined Might. They are much greater than the sum lof thier parts. It's like one shotting Surfer, Drax, and BRB. but if they combine, it becomes much harder to fight that one being. Amazo anyone? 5 skyfather's combined in and effort to break the wall.
Multiple skyfathers who would get one shotted by a Galactus level being.
Originally posted by cdtm
The Runner is a Galactus level being now...? 😕
I was talking about Tenebrous and Aegis.
Originally posted by lightyeargee
It takes Greater than Skyfather Power to complete it. Far Greater. Even Abstract level beings got stuck in it. And yes, defeating Mr. Miracle and Orion with a hand wave is very impressive. Surfer, nor the Runner, nor Thanos could do it. demeaning the feats is your only defense?
1- Surfer can channel the big bang and easily go through the Source Wall.
2- Seid also lost to Orion in Countdown.
3- Thanos would destroy Miracle and Orion with a wave of his hand, Surfer isn't shit to him and Surfer is more powerful than either of the two.
Originally posted by lightyeargee
Not individual, combined Might. They are much greater than the sum lof thier parts. It's like one shotting Surfer, Drax, and BRB. but if they combine, it becomes much harder to fight that one being. Amazo anyone? 5 skyfather's combined in and effort to break the wall.
I know. Odin who is greater than Highfather was one shotted by Doom while Doom held Galactus' power.
Originally posted by TheTyrantThese are all opinions. The Source is the big bang. And it's wall holds. Surfer wont' channel anything. He'd be stuck on the wall. He isn't skyfather.
I was talking about Tenebrous and Aegis.1- Surfer can channel the big bang and easily go through the Source Wall.
2- Seid also lost to Orion in Countdown.
3- Thanos would destroy Miracle and Orion with a wave of his hand, Surfer isn't shit to him and Surfer is more powerful than either of the two.I know. Odin who is greater than Highfather was one shotted by Doom while Doom held Galactus' power.
Seid lost to an amped Orion in countdown.
Thanos would not destroy Orion and Mr. Miracle. Orion was the only being able to fight off the uber amped Infinity Man and live.
Also Surfer is not more powerful than Orion. There is Nothing Surfer can do that Orion cannot do and or exceed. And Orion is stronger and a better fighter.
I dont' care about doom and Odin. I'm talking about the combined might of 5 skyfather's.
Originally posted by lightyeargeeYou exaggerate feats again and again. Surgfer is more powerful and treats peers Of Orion's like BrB like nuisances.
Orion has manipulated unoversal energies and harmed Galactic lvl cosmoc baddies. Surfer is Not more powerful. Orion has been millions of nuclear reactors on the heart of apok. Surfer isn't any more durable than Orion. And orion has flown from New Genesis to earth under his own power in under a heart beat. Literally a universe away. Surfer is not faster. And Orion has legitimate superspeed feats by running. Surfer has none.
Originally posted by lightyeargee
Orion has manipulated unoversal energies and harmed Galactic lvl cosmoc baddies. Surfer is Not more powerful. Orion has been millions of nuclear reactors on the heart of apok. Surfer isn't any more durable than Orion. And orion has flown from New Genesis to earth under his own power in under a heart beat. Literally a universe away. Surfer is not faster. And Orion has legitimate superspeed feats by running. Surfer has none.
I was giving you the benefit of the doubt until this.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You exaggerate feats again and again. Surgfer is more powerful and treats peers Of Orion's like BrB like nuisances.
The universal implosion bomb containment is a well known feat, and up there with anything any herald level has done..
And the reactor feat actually did happen.. Infinity Man was with him. Plus there's the well worn feat I keep bringing up of resisting Sligg's disintegration in Simonsons run..
I guess pictures speak louder then words, so I'll see about digging some up..
Including Morrison stuff, like the time he was nearly shaking Earth apart from the aftershocks of firing off his Astro Force at an enemy on the moon. I know it was a Morrison thing, but haven't found the issue yet...
Originally posted by cdtmIt's an exaggeration just like I said. That's the point. I could say Thor rips open time and space with his hammer but to act like that's standard thor stuff is an exaggeration.
The universal implosion bomb containment is a well known feat, and up there with anything any herald level has done..And the reactor feat actually did happen.. Infinity Man was with him. Plus there's the well worn feat I keep bringing up of resisting Sligg's disintegration in Simonsons run..
I guess pictures speak louder then words, so I'll see about digging some up..
Including Morrison stuff, like the time he was nearly shaking Earth apart from the aftershocks of firing off his Astro Force at an enemy on the moon. I know it was a Morrison thing, but haven't found the issue yet...
Originally posted by quanchi112that is your best retort? OMG. Every single time Orion unleashes his full power it is major.When he was the only one who could injure the galaxy spanning star conquerer. When he helped push back half the sources power. Wgen he destroyed an armada that could destroy the universe. When he got angry at DS and grew Giant sized and blew a chunk out of apokolips. NO EXAGGERATION. You JUST ARE A HATER OF ANYTHING DC AND ESPECIALLY WONDER WOMAN AND THE NEW GODS.
It's an exaggeration just like I said. That's the point. I could say Thor rips open time and space with his hammer but to act like that's standard thor stuff is an exaggeration.