Originally posted by dmillsThis isn't just about WW,but she is prolly the best along with maxima and sersi. I believe that they an get 40% against many of the top heralds. And I could explain it all well. Hell sersi can transmute most of them for the quick win. She can amp enought to one shot immortal herc. And some herlads can't get one win against other. For instance, Warlock can't get one win against superman,hal jordan,or surfer.
2-3 isn't good enough imo. A few mid heralds can sqeak out 2-3 wins over a HH character. IMO she would have to be able to garner victory at least 40% of the time in order to seriously be considered.
Re: No top girl Heralds?
Originally posted by lightyeargee
Sersi,Maxima,Wonder Woman,Goddess,Rachel Grey,Binary,Thorgirl,Jade,Powergirl,Void,Tangent Powergirl,Monica Rambeaux,Zatanna,Sienna Blaze, all want to break into the high Herald tier.They must be able to defeat at least 3 of the Males in that tier. Who can break into the tier?
WW is already high herald IMO.
I say Wonder Woman can beat Superman, BA, Thor, and BRB all for a majority.
She beats Superman and BA by masterfully countering their blows with attacks of her own. While stunned she simply lassos them or masterfully combos them to ko.
She beats Thor and BRB the same way but has the option of just lassoing them from the get go.
She also has the aegis shield just in case.
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Originally posted by h1a8all of those guys are far too tuff to beat like that. Superman is too fast to combo for a quick win. She can defend against his attacks at his speed but she can't attack him at his speed. Her defense is equal to his offense. Thor is slower and he is subject to a speed blitz. But his hits are the hardest among the heralds imo. BRB can be beaten by wondy. But he isn't top tier. He is 2nd tier. Black adam and wondy are basically dead even. She is faster and more skilled he is more durable and a smidge stronger. Both have lightning attacks. She has weapons and that pretty mich evens it out.
WW is already high herald IMO.I say Wonder Woman can beat Superman, BA, Thor, and BRB all for a majority.
She beats Superman and BA by masterfully countering their blows with attacks of her own. While stunned she simply lassos them or masterfully combos them to ko.
She beats Thor and BRB the same way but has the option of just lassoing them from the get go.
She also has the aegis shield just in case.
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Originally posted by h1a8And the reason that Supes isn't comboing her to KO is?
WW is already high herald IMO.I say Wonder Woman can beat Superman, BA, Thor, and BRB all for a majority.
She beats Superman and BA by masterfully countering their blows with attacks of her own. While stunned she simply lassos them or masterfully combos them to ko.
Originally posted by Digi
I'd strongly disagree with classic Adam. He's wildly underestimated because forget anything outside the soul suck.The tiers threads does not currently include the more recent magic Adam, who likely isn't high herald. Lulz at Sentry, unsure on the rest. Point is, it's a reach to put her in that tier.
Hey, I named more than 3 HH or higher. Doesn't sound like much of a reach.
I think it's established that Void and Pheonix can do it easily. The Void in the tiers thread is without the Creation Force, however. So she's where she belongs.
Originally posted by Q99
Hey, I named more than 3 HH or higher. Doesn't sound like much of a reach.
True, not since the thread starter specified 2-3/10 to be acceptable. I was going based off a majority. As it is, I don't think WW takes a majority off of anyone you listed, with standard equipment and standard forum battle rules. 2-3/10 changes things however, and I'm in agreement with you in that case.
I'd strongly disagree with classic Adam. He's wildly underestimated because forget anything outside the soul suck.
He's really skilled and quite powerful, I agree, but I still think Wonder Woman going at full with her power-set as of the late Gail Simone run would beat him the majority.
Originally posted by Digi
True, not since the thread starter specified 2-3/10 to be acceptable. I was going based off a majority. As it is, I don't think WW takes a majority off of anyone you listed, with standard equipment and standard forum battle rules. 2-3/10 changes things however, and I'm in agreement with you in that case.
To clear things up a bit, I think she'd take the majority of at least three of the ones I listed if not more (let's go with Circe, Queen of Fables, and Eradicator or Spartan or Adam, pick one).
I think she'd take 2-3/10 or more against pretty much every High Herald. She has better results than that against Superman.
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Originally posted by ParmaniacAlthough the speed of Supes offense is greater than the speed of her offense it matches the speed of her defense.
And the reason that Supes isn't comboing her to KO is?
To prove this she has ducked and blocked many of his non-holding back attacks from close range. She has block multiple beams of light seemingly simultaneously. Thus the speed of her defense matches the speed of his offense. Again, as lightyear said, the speed of her offense doesn't match the speed of his offense. I know this. That is why I said she only attacks through countering. Otherwise she wouldn't be able to hit Superman either. As a martial artist myself (amateur at least) I understand that a masterful counterattack can lead to ending the fight quickly. Think about it. Superman throws a punch, she ducks/blocks, she strikes stunningly, then she lassoes. Works everytime.
Plus the aegis makes her at least stalemates him.
I think Diana could defeat any of the top Green Lanterns, Thor, or Sinestro for the majority and or split. She's clearly in their ballpark and has the feats to back her up. I've seen her go toe to toe against powerful oppents such as: Superman, Genocide, Amazo, Ares, etc. She's proven to be only second to Superman when it comes to strength, has reflexes faster than light, and has tagged speedsters in multiple occasions. Moreover, if you add in her trinkets she''s a dangerous oppenent. People tend to underrated her or ignore her feats, but overall she should be consider an elite super hero.