Originally posted by Wild ShadowWW blew uo hectate who had ultimate power. Pwned ares in a time of war. Defeated the QOF. They all have high showings. I want to know if Rune froze time and thought he'd won or was he moving to kill warlock and then got zapped. Also, is the soul gem magical?
no.. rune was moving faster then light by various degrees ala Zoom style.. temporal manipulation is beyond speed..and adam fought Rune who at the time was far more powerful then WW b/c he had 5 of the 6 gems..
he froze time saw warlock and was afraid to get near him he was hesitant.. adam warlock radiated power which made rune cautious.. eventually Rune man up'ed and reach for adam's gem.. claiming no one was as powerful as him..
suddenly Rune was transported into the soul gem were warlock was waiting and Rune hadnt yet realized what had happen.
Originally posted by Wild Shadowso rune reached for the gem? Isn't that like reaching for ww's lasso while she has it? She could instantly pwn even if she wasn't moving. Rune set himself up. That isn't what I'm talking about. Has warlock every say, locked silver surfer or gladiator or some oter powerful speedster with his soul dump?
he froze time saw warlock and was afraid to get near him he was hesitant.. adam warlock radiated power which made rune cautious.. eventually Rune man up'ed and reach for adam's gem.. claiming no one was as powerful as him..suddenly Rune was transported into the soul gem were warlock was waiting and Rune hadnt yet realized what had happen.
he has outright ordered SS to stop fighting him via intimidation... taken full control of his board..
warlock has raised his shields and blocked mjolnir...
he has blocked laser fire and out right disappeared from the eyes of galactus destroyer heralds in mid battle while being engaged by them..
he has also moved fast enough to confuse galactus..
he has also taken down a ship of the universal church by speed blitzing ppl all over the ship nearly simultaneously.. ninja style appearing in fron behind different decks up and down..
Originally posted by Wild Shadowat any time, while moving as fast as he did, did he ever soul dump?
he has outright ordered SS to stop fighting him via intimidation... taken full control of his board..warlock has raised his shields and blocked mjolnir...
he has blocked laser fire and out right disappeared from the eyes of galactus destroyer heralds in mid battle while being engaged by them..
he has also moved fast enough to confuse galactus..
he has also taken down a ship of the universal church by speed blitzing ppl all over the ship nearly simultaneously.. ninja style appearing in fron behind different decks up and down..
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your asking as if he cant.. we know he can move at light speed, he has light speed reflexes and processes information at light speed.. you are asking on panel showing of him doing this maneuver in conjunction with his FTL reflex power..
no. their are no on panel showing if him moving and reacting at top speed and sucking a soul at the same time... he usually beats them down and then sucks their soul.. its CIS
i should ask you when has WW ever speed blitz at light speed off the bat and also fought at ftl speed in an engaged fist fight?
also like to point out that warlock ca just as easily raise a shield at light speed as easily as WW can run at him which should even them out..
it's stupid to think WW can be out of character but warlock cant or raise a shield to stop it..
the lasso also could be stopped by warlocks shield..
Originally posted by Wild ShadowI havnt said once that wonder woman would be out of character. She has blitz before. Against general eiling. Amazo,ares, and some dude I can't rmemeber. Also, you act as if wondy doesn't have her own shields. That have shown they can block anyting. Even nekrons soul sucking blast. So since they won't be soul sucking each other. They could try and blast each other but that doesn't seem feasible, then what is left?
your asking as if he cant.. we know he can move at light speed, he has light speed reflexes and processes information at light speed.. you are asking on panel showing of him doing this maneuver in conjunction with his FTL reflex power..no. their are no on panel showing if him moving and reacting at top speed and sucking a soul at the same time... he usually beats them down and then sucks their soul.. its CIS
i should ask you when has WW ever speed blitz at light speed off the bat and also fought at ftl speed in an engaged fist fight?
also like to point out that warlock ca just as easily raise a shield at light speed as easily as WW can run at him which should even them out..
it's stupid to think WW can be out of character but warlock cant or raise a shield to stop it..
the lasso also could be stopped by warlocks shield..
adam warlocks TK is invisible and can be implemented instantaneously.. both defenseless and offensively..
i have never, never, never and i doubt you will ever find a scan showing her engaged at actual ftl speed fight... not even when she faced general eiling with bats or supes she did a bull charge with supes.. that is it. her blitzing out the way from amazo and hitting him isnt the same as how flash fights nor will you find her fighting at those lvls
she nor supes have ever bulled the flash ftl fighting.. at most she has bn at mach speed nothing more.. or is running or flying in a circle around the opponent..
like i said already adam warlock has various powers, even his comic has him using one time abilities at his disposal to show how enigmatic he and powerful he is.. dragon ball style teleport fighting..
Originally posted by Wild ShadowYou just said wondy has never moved at ftl? Um are you kidding? How did she blitz amazo twice in one panel while he was channeling flashe's speed? She tied his arm up, and then his entire body before he ould react. How did she deflect thousands of light shards from around the universe if she can only move at mach? Not only was she deflecting them, she was moving ftl to intercept them. How did wondy enter the speed force and atch jessee quick if she an only move at mach?
adam warlocks TK is invisible and can be implemented instantaneously.. both defenseless and offensively..plus i have seen wonder woman speed blitz out the way but i have never, never, never and i doubt you will ever find a scan showing her engaged at actual ftl speed fight... not even when she faced general eiling with bats or supes she did a bull charge with supes.. that is it.
she nor supes have ever bulled the flash ftl fighting.. at most she has bn at mach speed nothing more.. or is running or flying in a circle around the opponent..
like i said already adam warlock has various powers, even his comic has him using one time abilities at his disposal to show how enigmatic he and powerful he is.. even dragon ball style teleport fighting..
she entered the speed force because she has a scroll and was residing the speed formula.. if i recall correctly..
plus the shard thing she is running and her stupid ftl reflex took care of the rest..
but she has never, again i repeat never, never.. engaged anyone at ftl h2h fighting ala flash..
she did blitz amazo and caught him off guard but that is it,, show me where she is engaging some one h2h like flash does the zooms...
you will never find such a comic b.c that is not how she is written as.
Originally posted by Wild ShadowNo, wondy entered rhe speed force under her own power. Jesee was rhe one who recites aformula to enter. And the shard thing, wondy is show flying to the black guy and flying around him intercepting those shards.
she entered the speed force because she has a scroll and was residing the speed formula.. if i recall correctly..plus the shard thing she is running and her stupid ftl reflex took care of the rest..
but she has never, again i repeat never, never.. engaged anyone at ftl h2h fighting ala flash..
she did blitz amazo and caught him off guard but that is it,, show me where she is engaging some one h2h like flash does the zooms...
you will never find such a comic b.c that is not how she is written as.
wondy is shown beatin some guy in hand to hand with superspeed. Can't say if it was at light speed but since she has shown she can move and react at ftl, it is reasonable to assume she can.
see thats all i wanted to hear you say..
Originally posted by lightyeargee
No, wondy entered rhe speed force under her own power. Jesee was rhe one who recites aformula to enter. And the shard thing, wondy is show flying to the black guy and flying around him intercepting those shards.wondy is shown beatin some guy in hand to hand with superspeed. Can't say if it was at light speed but since she has shown she can move and react at ftl, it is reasonable to assume she can.
by this reasoning the same exact can be made for adam warlock and various heroes..
pretty sure the scroll she was holding or her residing jesse's formula gave her the extra boost,...
i know wonder woman can fly at ftl speed and run and even block stuff at ftl but like i said not once has she bn shown able to use all those skills in single h2h fighting,. so again CIS applies in forums and shouldnt make assumptions
Originally posted by Wild Shadowshe has been shown using superspeed while fighting. No one can say what speed it was. But she did beat some blue guy with super fast punches.
see thats all i wanted to hear you say..by this reasoning the same exact can be made for adam warlock and various heroes..
pretty sure the scroll she was holding or her residing jesse's formula gave her the extra boost,...
i know wonder woman can fly at ftl speed and run and even block stuff at ftl but like i said not once has she bn shown able to use all those skills in single h2h fighting,. so again CIS applies in forums and shouldnt make assumptions
adam warlock has also bn shown using superspeed fighting and disappearing in front of his enemies eyes.. he is so enigmatic that the comic leaves you guessing what he was really doing.
was he at superspeed? obviously but at what lvl and was he using ninja tactics as well? was he teleporting at the same time? his soul suck can be instantaneous and isnt effected by time manipulation
this is how warlock has bn written.. so by your reasoning
i can argue he can do all this to wonder woman as well.. superspeed, ninja fighting DBZ teleporting... at ftl b/c we know he can fly and process info at ftl speed..
Originally posted by Wild Shadowalso if CIS is on, then wondy is far more likely to use SS or her lasso then Warlock is to use his SS or soul dump. I'm giving them both the benefit that neither will blitz. Neither is going to be able to get the drop on the other with soul dumps,etc. So then what is left is his invisi le tk,which she can see, vs. Her vast strength advantage. They seem very even.
see thats all i wanted to hear you say..by this reasoning the same exact can be made for adam warlock and various heroes..
pretty sure the scroll she was holding or her residing jesse's formula gave her the extra boost,...
i know wonder woman can fly at ftl speed and run and even block stuff at ftl but like i said not once has she bn shown able to use all those skills in single h2h fighting,. so again CIS applies in forums and shouldnt make assumptions
yes, cis on.. warlock wouldnt just suck her soul he respects all life and is cautious to employ said tactic.. but that is not his only power.
within cis he could simply scan her via his cosmic awareness or his soul gem light of truth whcih would tell him all about who she is not like he wouldnt already know due to general knowledge but he would know he can revert her back to her clay form..
or a karmic blast which is within character and should and would KO her.
plus in character as the fight escalates he is also likely to teleport behind her or speed blitz her or ninja vanish whatever it is he does to get the drop on her..
now like i said adam has vast options and powers that he has displayed that might freak WW out.. like i dont know going all abstract opening his cape and his body become some kind of void with mystic energy blinding her...
or warlock casting a spell for whatever effect he want to employ..
sent both of them into a mystic realm reality the white void... etc etc..
lets say they stalemate and are locked together this leaves wonder woman exposed b/c here he has the option to drag her into soul world where he is god the supreme being.