Originally posted by keiththegreatNever said that, i asked you for examples, and the ones you gave are bad examples with context behind them.
[B]So its your contention Thor has no impressive wins over foes who are Thanos level or higher?
He beat Surtur via BFR at classic levels. He beat the Destroyer at classic levels via BFR.Well, Thanos can teleport so bfr aint woriking, and both Surur and the Destroyer can teleport so i wouldnt call the a victory.
He beat Glory by re-directing his energy. is that not fair or something?He did using the spark didnt he, and Thor with the PG was struggling to block/absorb Thanos energy blast, so regular Thor may not be able to.
So when Rogue steals someone's powers and uses them against them, its not a win?What does that have to do with Thor and the feats you used? Feats like the Celestial Godblast amped by the belt of strength.
And what context to you mean with Mephisto. he outright beat him in his own realm, after battling an army of demons.Which instance are you talikng about? the recent one in which Thor fought the Dsir aswell? because he never actually fought Mephisto.
These come from the Thor respect thread on this site:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHell06.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMephisto07.jpg
I'm too lazy to post all the scans. If you want the complete fights check the respect thread.
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
These come from the Thor respect thread on this site:http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHell06.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMephisto07.jpg
I'm too lazy to post all the scans. If you want the complete fights check the respect thread.
The first fight Mephisto only wanted to currupt him, not actually beat him.
The second scan was a stalemate.
Originally posted by Nihilist
Never said that, i asked you for examples, and the ones you gave are bad examples with context behind them.Well, Thanos can teleport so bfr aint woriking, and both Surur and the Destroyer can teleport so i wouldnt call the a victory.
He defeated both Surtur and Ymir IIRC by teleporting them to the sea of eternal night where they would be stuck in suspended animation. If he were to do the same against Thanos, that would be a victory.
Originally posted by Nihilist
He did using the spark didnt he,
The spark IIRC was an internal thing. It gave him the hope that he needed. It was an internal/psychological type thing. The spark didn't increase his durability or his ability to absorb energy.
Originally posted by Nihilist
and Thor with the PG was struggling to block/absorb Thanos energy blast, so regular Thor may not be able to.
1. Nothing like that ever happened.
2. You can't truly believe that. Thor would have no problem using energy absorption/amplification/redirection against Thanos.
Originally posted by Nihilist
What does that have to do with Thor and the feats you used? Feats like the Celestial Godblast amped by the belt of strength. Which instance are you talikng about? the recent one in which Thor fought the Dsir aswell? because he never actually fought Mephisto.
I'm not sure what scene his talking about but Thor has fought Mephisto more than once in his realm and has done incredibly well.
The God Blast was not amped by the belt of strength by the way. It doubled Mjolnir's fortifications.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He defeated both Surtur and Ymir IIRC by teleporting them to the sea of eternal night where they would be stuck in suspended animation. If he were to do the same against Thanos, that would be a victory.The spark IIRC was an internal thing. It gave him the hope that he needed. It was an internal/psychological type thing. The spark didn't increase his durability or his ability to absorb energy.
1. Nothing like that ever happened.
2. You can't truly believe that. Thor would have no problem using energy absorption/amplification/redirection against Thanos.I'm not sure what scene his talking about but Thor has fought Mephisto more than once in his realm and has done incredibly well.
The God Blast was not amped by the belt of strength by the way. It doubled Mjolnir's fortifications.
When did the Mephisto fights happen? I'd like to add them to my collection.
I always thought Odin was supposed to be the most powerful of all Asgardians and Olympians.
Then as Thor is son of Odin and Elder God Gaea he would be most powerful of all.
So if everyone saying Thanos beats Thor easily, seems Thor character has been badly written.
In my opinion hierarchy should be
physical strength
Thanos
Thor
Hercules
Zeus
Odin
full power including magic and mystical
Thor
Odin
Zeus
Thanos
Hercules
Originally posted by dmills
When did the Mephisto fights happen? I'd like to add them to my collection.
All of their encounters or just physical fights?
Thor #205 - He fought Mephisto and his legions. Mephisto did not seek to merely kill him but to corrupt him as well here.
Thor #310 - Thor battled Mephisto and his legions again. This time he wanted him dead without any circumstances IIRC.
Thor #325 - Thor fights and defeats a Mephisto empowered demon known as Darkoth. I like this one because after setting the demons spirit free, Thor calls to Mephisto to fight him, and Mephisto chickens out IIRC.
He gets Ulik to work for him by using him as a pawn in the Thor Annual #12. This is easily Mephisto's best showing against Thor where he dissolves and recreates Mjolnir, claiming his above the enchantment (I call bull but whatever).
They also have some brief encounters where he kidnaps Thor in Loki's body in Thor #180 and #181. He also has some encounters with Masterson in Thor #453 to #455. He appears regularly in that time in Thor (#441 to #455).
He doesn't really get his hands dirty in those appearances however after Thor #310.
Originally posted by GRIMNIR
I always thought Odin was supposed to be the most powerful of all Asgardians and Olympians.
Then as Thor is son of Odin and Elder God Gaea he would be most powerful of all.So if everyone saying Thanos beats Thor easily, seems Thor character has been badly written.
In my opinion hierarchy should be
physical strength
Thanos
Thor
Hercules
Zeus
Odinfull power including magic and mystical
Thor
Odin
Zeus
Thanos
Hercules
In terms of physical strength I'd rank them as:
Odin
Zeus
Thanos/Thor (Higher end Thor)
Thor/Hercules
In terms of overall power :
Odin
Thor (If you include the God Blast etc.)
Zeus
Thanos/Thor
Hercules
Originally posted by GRIMNIRI've always wondered about the Ghea factor myself, especially when Thor pulls off above HH feats. Is he tapping into his elder god blood and such. Whatever the case, I wonder why writers haven't explored this more?
I always thought Odin was supposed to be the most powerful of all Asgardians and Olympians.
Then as Thor is son of Odin and Elder God Gaea he would be most powerful of all.So if everyone saying Thanos beats Thor easily, seems Thor character has been badly written.
In my opinion hierarchy should be
physical strength
Thanos
Thor
Hercules
Zeus
Odinfull power including magic and mystical
Thor
Odin
Zeus
Thanos
Hercules
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus👆 Thanks.
All of their encounters or just physical fights?Thor #205 - He fought Mephisto and his legions. Mephisto did not seek to merely kill him but to corrupt him as well here.
Thor #310 - Thor battled Mephisto and his legions again. This time he wanted him dead without any circumstances IIRC.
Thor #325 - Thor fights and defeats a Mephisto empowered demon known as Darkoth. I like this one because after setting the demons spirit free, Thor calls to Mephisto to fight him, and Mephisto chickens out IIRC.
He gets Ulik to work for him by using him as a pawn in the Thor Annual #12. This is easily Mephisto's best showing against Thor where he dissolves and recreates Mjolnir, claiming his above the enchantment (I call bull but whatever).
They also have some brief encounters where he kidnaps Thor in Loki's body in Thor #180 and #181. He also has some encounters with Masterson in Thor #453 to #455. He appears regularly in that time in Thor (#441 to #455).
He doesn't really get his hands dirty in those appearances however after Thor #310.
No prob.
Originally posted by dmills
I've always wondered about the Ghea factor myself, especially when Thor pulls off above HH feats. Is he tapping into his elder god blood and such. Whatever the case, I wonder why writers haven't explored this more?
This is the only time I can think of the Gaea thing being mentioned:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/SplitsCountry1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/SplitsCountry2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/SplitsCountry3.jpg
Is Thor the only popular high herald who hasn't gotten some form of upgrade here or there? Superman, Wonder Woman, Hulk, Flash, Surfer to a lesser extent etc. have all received one in some shape or form.
I guess Hal Jordan would also be one that hasn't gotten an upgrade. Kyle had one, but he lost it IIRC.
Imo, Mjolnir itself -when written properly- is a trans or above level weapon. Perhaps writers have felt that there was no need to amp him given what he already has access to.
I also personally believe the elder god blood in him allows him access to much deeper reserves of power to draw upon then any other herald. This has never been stated explicitly, but its been seemingly implied looking at some of the higher end feats. But like I said, no one seems interested in further exploring this.
Originally posted by dmills
Imo, Mjolnir itself -when written properly- is a trans or above level weapon. Perhaps writers have felt that there was no need to amp him given what he already has access to.I also personally believe the elder god blood in him allows him access to much deeper reserves of power to draw upon then any other herald. This has never been stated explicitly, but its been seemingly implied looking at some of the higher end feats. But like I said, no one seems interested in further exploring this.
I've also wondered about this. Though it was touched on a little in Thor 4 but then nothing..I was expecting to see more feats from Thor outside of Mjolnir but was sorely disappointed.
