Sylvester Stallone or Arnold Schwarzenegger

Originally posted by shokosugi
Terminator, Terminator 2 and Predator ALL SUCKS compared to Rocky.

Rocky won a Best movie oscar and is an icon, included in lists of best movies.

Well Rocky would win an Oscar like that because it was a very good piece of characterisation but where it was strong with that, all the movies were rubbish with the actual depiction of boxing.

With the 3 Arnie films you mentioned well they are what they are and they don't pretend to be anything else. Sci-Fi Action movies, and 3 of the most iconic movies of the genre. If Arnie had appeared in an Aliens movie he would have the set, what would Stallone have? Demolition Man and Judge Dredd?, good films but hardly amazing.

But just back to the Rocky issue I believe that if Arnie had done a similiar type of drama he could have looked to his own life and done something based on his weightlifting career, that would have been good to see.

Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
Well Rocky would win an Oscar like that because it was a very good piece of characterisation but where it was strong with that, all the movies were rubbish with the actual depiction of boxing.

Respectfully disagreed.

Originally posted by roughrider
So Stallone blames the first Batman in 1989 for the decline of the movie star action genre he was big in? Saying that they got away with fake muscles in a superhero suit over the real thing?

I think he should blame himself for making too many terrible films in a row where he does the same thing over and over, tiring the patience of the audience. And he screwed up his own comic book film - Judge Dredd.
Plus, he resorted to HGH for 'fake' muscles, to do the last Rambo film.

You miss the entire point. The action genre went from being strong and tough as a person to being able to fake it, which is now far more abundant. While garbage like "Max Payne" gets into theaters, brilliant movies such as "Undisputed 3" are forced to go direct to video.

Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
Well Rocky would win an Oscar like that because it was a very good piece of characterisation but where it was strong with that, all the movies were rubbish with the actual depiction of boxing.

With the 3 Arnie films you mentioned well they are what they are and they don't pretend to be anything else. Sci-Fi Action movies, and 3 of the most iconic movies of the genre. If Arnie had appeared in an Aliens movie he would have the set, what would Stallone have? Demolition Man and Judge Dredd?, good films but hardly amazing.

But just back to the Rocky issue I believe that if Arnie had done a similiar type of drama he could have looked to his own life and done something based on his weightlifting career, that would have been good to see.

THey been playing alot of the Rocky movies on tv alot.I still think the Fourth Rocky movie.

Originally posted by Mr. Rhythmic
Respectfully disagreed.

The actual boxing was bad as much as it was exciting to watch with all the drama. The punches were clunking 'hollywood' punches and the fact is that Rocky would have been dead or would have lost every fight to stoppage.

No boxer leaves themselves criminally exposed as the characters in the movies 1-5, I haven't seen the final film so I don't know if they improved it or not.

I lke watching the Rocky films but the depictions of the boxing has always been its weakness.

Originally posted by Mindset
Rambo

I was debating the examples provided which were Terminator 1+2 and Predator e.g. Sci-Fi Action movies so mentioning Rambo doesn't fit. I was defending these movies because it was suggested they were rubbish compared to Rocky. I was merely pointing out Arnie had the better resume in this genre.

Rambo is a higly popular character and one of my favourites and having a character like this certainly puts Stallone in the ascendancy for having such an iconic character.

The only way I'd counter that is to say that with repetition of the character, after First Blood it became less about the character and more about the kill count.

Sylvester Stallone

I know very little about boxxing so I thought those parts were pretty good.

Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
The actual boxing was bad as much as it was exciting to watch with all the drama.

Depends on the film.

Sylvestor Stallone is the best.

Originally posted by shokosugi
Terminator, Terminator 2 and Predator ALL SUCKS compared to Rocky.

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Rocky is a Drama. Terminator and Predator are actions movies. Different genre.

Stallone is a better actor and creator.

But Arnie just has too much star power. More memorable films.

And whoever said that Rocky was better than T1, T2 and Predator is nuts.

Agreed with you on that one.

Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
The actual boxing was bad as much as it was exciting to watch with all the drama. The punches were clunking 'hollywood' punches and the fact is that Rocky would have been dead or would have lost every fight to stoppage.

No boxer leaves themselves criminally exposed as the characters in the movies 1-5, I haven't seen the final film so I don't know if they improved it or not.

I lke watching the Rocky films but the depictions of the boxing has always been its weakness.

I agree. I enjoyed the movies, but the boxing was all 'Hollywood'. Rocky took more shots to the face then a pornstar. He would have ended up worse than Ali is now. Eddie Murphy said it best in RAW!

I still like Sly over Arnold, and I agree that Undisputed 3 was a great film!

Schwarzenegger no question. Was my childhood hero growing up. All of his VHS tapes were on repeat in my house.

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Majorly enjoyed both back in the day but I'm going with Arnold just because to me I found that he did more memorable stuff overall.