I AM NOT PROVING ANYTHING AS YOU CAN SEE I AM NOT RESPONDING TO HIS ARGUMENTS BECAUSE HE'S ON IGNORE. WUT I AM DOING IS, IN MY DEVINE BENEVOLENCE, GIVING HIM A PLACE TO DISCUSS THIS TOPIC WITHOUT IMPEDING MY ANNIHILATION OF YOU, TJ, AND EVERYONE ELSE!
IT IS LIKE DANGLING A PAIR OF KEYS IN FRONT OF A CHILD TO DISTRACT HIM FROM MY TRUE INTENTIONS
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no moar off topic.
Politics:
The major political consideration here is that all of the major Fate of the Jedi-era powers are controlled by ex-Imperials: Daala for the Alliance, Phennir for the Confederation, Fel for the Remnant. It is highly possible that the Emperor could, through quiet diplomacy, persuade Daala and Phennir. Fel, who was an Imperial—but not of Palpatine’s era—would probably resist such temptations; Palpatine would likely have him disposed of fairly handily and easily, since Fel’s direct subordinates (the Moffs) are all ambitious Palpatine partisans. So, without so much as firing a single blaster shot, Palpatine could very well bring all of the major galactic powers to heel through diplomacy, intimidation, etc.
Military:
The Alliance, Remnant, and Confederation’s navies were all heavily devastated during the previous war with Caedus and it is highly unlikely that they could have reestablished the majority of their military-industrial complex and armament in a mere two years. Even at their peak, none of these factions have the strength to go toe-to-toe with the Empire and hope to win. And even supposing that they do resist Palpatine’s overtures and combine their forces, it would take time and meetings to do so, in which case Palpatine could probably have them all killed—he managed to do this in between Endor and Dark Empire, manipulating major factions for years, shunting attention away from his plans in the Core. (The Dark Empire Sourcebook also states in no uncertain terms that the Emperor had a hand in Thrawn’s assassination, which shows very accurately how terrifyingly long his reach is.)
Assassinations, Coups & All That Other Nonsense:
Given that Palpatine knows the secrets to transfer his essence to a clone body, even if an assassination attempt occurs—which is unlikely, given the Emperor’s farsight, paranoia, and stringent security measures—Palpatine will simply be reborn in another body in an undisclosed Imperial stronghold. From there, he can launch merciless assaults against all who oppose him and actively shield his own presence from the Force.
The galaxy is screwed.
Originally posted by Gideon
[B]Politics:The major political consideration here is that all of the major Fate of the Jedi-era powers are controlled by ex-Imperials: Daala for the Alliance, Phennir for the Confederation, Fel for the Remnant. It is highly possible that the Emperor could, through quiet diplomacy, persuade Daala and Phennir. Fel, who was an Imperial—but not of Palpatine’s era—would probably resist such temptations; Palpatine would likely have him disposed of fairly handily and easily, since Fel’s direct subordinates (the Moffs) are all ambitious Palpatine partisans. So, without so much as firing a single blaster shot, Palpatine could very well bring all of the major galactic powers to heel through diplomacy, intimidation, etc.[/B]
The Moffs are power hungry bastards. Whos to say they wouldnt stay on the GA side just to eliminate the bigger obsticle(Palpatine) and then try and rise in power in the wake of the war? I have almost no knowledge of Phennir though, even though im about half way through the third FOTJ book.
I like you. When you pay attention, you raise some good points.
VP
Jag Fel probably wouldnt be very easy to assassinate because of his relationship with Jaina. Also with the other Solos and Skywalkers.
In a sense, you're correct: his close relationship with the Solos and Skywalkers would make him a harder target because the offender would fear retaliation, retribution, conviction, etc.
But in a sense that matters here, I believe you're incorrect. Jaina and the others are not around Fel 24/7; he is an autonomous Head of State of an allied nation. There's no indication that they'd be able to stop an assassination attempt; especially if the assassins are being backed by the Galactic Empire.
VP
The Moffs are power hungry bastards. Whos to say they wouldnt stay on the GA side just to eliminate the bigger obsticle(Palpatine) and then try and rise in power in the wake of the war? I have almost no knowledge of Phennir though, even though im about half way through the third FOTJ book.
Because they would likely have greater room for advancement in the Empire than in the Alliance. Palpatine would stop them from going too far (as in making a bid for his spot), but the Alliance and the Jedi would keep the Remnant in check to a far greater degree.
Originally posted by Gideon
I like you. When you pay attention, you raise some good points.
Thanks!
Originally posted by Gideon
In a sense, you're correct: his close relationship with the Solos and Skywalkers would make him a harder target because the offender would fear retaliation, retribution, conviction, etc.
Exactly. You wouldn't want to put a Solo or especially a Skywalker in a position where they want revenge.
Originally posted by Gideon
But in a sense that matters here, I believe you're incorrect. Jaina and the others are not around Fel 24/7; he is an autonomous Head of State of an allied nation. There's no indication that they'd be able to stop an assassination attempt; especially if the assassins are being backed by the Galactic Empire.
The Jedi are smart enough to know that Jag would be at great risk because of the Moffs and Palpatines presence on the other side. I would be very surprised if they didn't keep him under Jedi protection. While that by no means guarentees his safety, it will help.
Originally posted by Gideon
Because they would likely have greater room for advancement in the Empire than in the Alliance. Palpatine would stop them from going too far (as in making a bid for his spot), but the Alliance and the Jedi would keep the Remnant in check to a far greater degree.
Agreed. Were the Moffs happy with thier status in the Empire during Palpatines rule or did they resent not having any shot of getting to run the show themselves?
Gideon, you want to have a debate and yet put one of the major and only debaters on the Alliance side on ignore? What a dodging debate method.
The Jedi could ambush Sidious with their Stealth Xs. They could fire volleys of concussion missiles, each several times the power of a ww2 atomic bomb. And Stealth Xs are invisible to sensors and eyesight until they fire, at which point Sidious would be screwed.
Originally posted by Nephthys
But limited access to the farming and raw material planets. A sound tactician would use that to cripple their war efforts.
Good point, but the Empire could conquer said planets, as said planets would be far less protected than, say, Coruscant.
My Jedi Stealth X bombing method still stands though.
Originally posted by Pwned
Ok then now counter the whole cloning thing he brought up, which is entirely valid.
It took Sidious a very long time to clone himself and come back.
VP
Exactly. You wouldn't want to put a Solo or especially a Skywalker in a position where they want revenge.
Which is why any two-bit terrorist or assassin would rightly hesitate before pulling such a stunt. But a highly trained professional who is backed by the full might of the Empire wouldn't balk at such a thing. As terrifying as the Solos and Skywalkers can be, they are nothing against Palpatine.
Pwned
Ok then now counter the whole cloning thing he brought up, which is entirely valid.
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Palpatine, as demonstrated between Dark Empire I and Dark Empire II, can be reborn in an incredibly short amount of time. Hell, even in the first comic, Palpatine leaves his body when Skywalker goes to confront him on Byss. Skywalker then attempts to destroy the clones before Palpatine's essence can enter their bodies, but by the time he's done, Palpatine's already been reborn.
He can enter the body of a clone within an incredibly short period of time. The only reason he waited between Return of the Jedi and Dark Empire is because he was manipulating events for years from Byss.
Edit: I misspoketyped. Palpatine had already been reborn on Byss, but remained hidden in order to gather his forces, continue his dark side studies, manipulate the fighting, and then wait for the proper time to unleash his new weapons of WARRR!!1! against the New Republic.
VP
The Jedi are smart enough to know that Jag would be at great risk because of the Moffs and Palpatines presence on the other side. I would be very surprised if they didn't keep him under Jedi protection. While that by no means guarentees his safety, it will help.
Very possible; I urge you to explore this furthah!
VP
Agreed. Were the Moffs happy with thier status in the Empire during Palpatines rule or did they resent not having any shot of getting to run the show themselves?
Absolutely; if you read anything from the Hand of Thrawn duology onwards, you'll notice a recurring theme of the Moffs wishing desperately for the Empire to return to "the good ol' days" -- Palpatine's rule.
Nephthys
But limited access to the farming and raw material planets. A soundtacticianstrategist would use that to cripple their war efforts.
Excellent observation and I corrected your lousy error.