Originally posted by 753
Well his powers wouldnt be possible in the real world either so im assuming he would use them as in the comcis for this thread. That being the case EM weapons would not the way to go against him.
Yeah I know what your saying, but I was just thinking about it more along the lines of if Magneto was in the real world, and his powerset is manipulating EM, then it translated to being able to manipulate real world EM and magnetic fields. Just a different way of viewing it that I thought was more interesting.
If that was the case, then gamma rays, x-rays, lasers etc. would go straight through his shield. Things like neutrons as well.
Really they ought to be able to kill him quite easily in the comics with such things but I guess comic book physics apply there, so whatever.
Originally posted by 753
Gas could take him down if he inhales it, but with the force fields, he wouldn't.
Unless he has a perfect recycling device inside his field and he wants to live the rest of his life inside a magnetic bubble, he'd have to get fresh air or come out eventually. But yes, it would be damn near impossible to catch him out if he was being careful.
Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
I think Magneto would mostly just live in solitude in our world. Without mutants to protect he wouldn't have much of a purpose. That or spend his time trying to find a way back to the Marvel universe.
I agree, he's the mutant Hitler. Without his "Aryan race" or "Homo Superior" to fight for, he'd have no cause to fight in the first place.
Originally posted by willRulesthat's an overused you became what you hate theme in the x-men. In god love man kills you can have a deeper look into his motivations and it shows he'd be likely to interfere with a world without mutants as a benevolent dictator just the same. Several other portrayals of him also display concerns for causes outside the sphere of mutant persecution.
I agree, he's the mutant Hitler. Without his "Aryan race" or "Homo Superior" to fight for, he'd have no cause to fight in the first place.
Originally posted by 753
that's an overused you became what you hate theme in the x-men. In god love man kills you can have a deeper look into his motivations and it shows he'd be likely to interfere with a world without mutants as a benevolent dictator just the same. Several other portrayals of him also display concerns for causes outside the sphere of mutant persecution.
Oh it's certainly an overused trope, because it so accurately defines Magneto.
I've read God Loves, Man Kills. This does nothing to detract from the Magneto/Hitler analogy. Granted it could be argued that the storyline helped develop Magneto as a defender of his race, bringing out strong allusions between him and Malcom X (and by extension, Xavier and Martin Luther King jr). Heck, even Marvel's first ever event did that, choosing to ally him with the heroes on Battleworld, rather than the villains. All this does is display a degree of moral amiguity to his character.
However he can be developed to portray him as reprsenting his people, a defender of his race, but he is by no means innocent. His defence comes at the cost of innocent lives and the persecution of humanity. He provides as much offence as he does defence and in fact throughout his history, his emphasis is on the persecution of humanity, rather merely the defence of his race. This is what caused the split form Xavier and made him a central X-men villain. It's intergral to his character by having him stand against humanity. Otherwise he would have joined the X-men with their formation.
So in the same manner, I could just simply extend the Hitler analogy and say that Magneto, like Hitler, may have attempted to defend his own race, but at the glaring and undeniable cost of others. Either way, in a world without mutants, Magneto has no cause to fight for.
Originally posted by willRules
Oh it's certainly an overused trope, because it so accurately defines Magneto.I've read God Loves, Man Kills. This does nothing to detract from the Magneto/Hitler analogy. Granted it could be argued that the storyline helped develop Magneto as a defender of his race, bringing out strong allusions between him and Malcom X (and by extension, Xavier and Martin Luther King jr). Heck, even Marvel's first ever event did that, choosing to ally him with the heroes on Battleworld, rather than the villains. All this does is display a degree of moral amiguity to his character.
However he can be developed to portray him as reprsenting his people, a defender of his race, but he is by no means innocent. His defence comes at the cost of innocent lives and the persecution of humanity. He provides as much offence as he does defence and in fact throughout his history, his emphasis is on the persecution of humanity, rather merely the defence of his race. This is what caused the split form Xavier and made him a central X-men villain. It's intergral to his character by having him stand against humanity. Otherwise he would have joined the X-men with their formation.
So in the same manner, I could just simply extend the Hitler analogy and say that Magneto, like Hitler, may have attempted to defend his own race, but at the glaring and undeniable cost of others. Either way, in a world without mutants, Magneto has no cause to fight for.
God loves man kills and several other other describe his plans to wipe out poverty and warfare from the planet bringing a 'golden age' (as he sees it) for humans and mutants alike under his dictatorial rule. Other works display concerns for environmental degradation regardless of the utility of natural resources to the mutant race. He is not always portrayed as strictly concerned with mutant wellfare.
Your rant about how he is both offensive and defensive and therefore hitler-like means nothing to me. Hitler did not protect the germans from persecution and extermination. the 'german race's' opression and enemies were fictional. A more concrete exemple of a an extreme act of violence for the sake of the preservation and emacipation of a group would come from the haitian revolution in which revolted slaves nearly wiped out the white population. In my view they were quite right to do so. Any slave that kills his master, even in his sleep, acts in self-defense. The existence of a society based on the opression and expoliation of an underclass by an upperclass by itself justifies the destruction of the upper class.
In genosha, that was the case with mutates and their human masters and equating the mutate/mutant guerrilla with the magistrates is abhorent. IIRC magneto and the insurrection wiped them out and magnus dumped a mountain on the ones who were left - good riddance.
As for how many non-combatant innocents magneto has deliberatelly killed throughout the years, well, even with some writers portraying him as bloodthirsty and ruthless, his body count has remained pretty close to zero. In his more sympathetic portrayals, he gives people time to evacuate before attacking and so on.
Originally posted by 753
God loves man kills and several other other describe his plans to wipe out poverty and warfare from the planet bringing a 'golden age' (as he sees it) for humans and mutants alike under his dictatorial rule. Other works display concerns for environmental degradation regardless of the utility of natural resources to the mutant race. He is not always portrayed as strictly concerned with mutant wellfare.Your rant about how he is both offensive and defensive and therefore hitler-like means nothing to me. Hitler did not protect the germans from persecution and extermination. the 'german race's' opression and enemies were fictional. A more concrete exemple of a an extreme act of violence for the sake of the preservation and emacipation of a group would come from the haitian revolution in which revolted slaves nearly wiped out the white population. In my view they were quite right to do so. Any slave that kills his master, even in his sleep, acts in self-defense. The existence of a society based on the opression and expoliation of an underclass by an upperclass by itself justifies the destruction of the upper class.
In genosha, that was the case with mutates and their human masters and equating the mutate/mutant guerrilla with the magistrates is abhorent. IIRC magneto and the insurrection wiped them out and magnus dumped a mountain on the ones who were left - good riddance.
As for how many non-combatant innocents magneto has deliberatelly killed throughout the years, well, even with some writers portraying him as bloodthirsty and ruthless, his body count has remained pretty close to zero. In his more sympathetic portrayals, he gives people time to evacuate before attacking and so on.
Well if you think the Haitian revolution would provide a more fitting analogy, that's obviously your perogative. I personally side with many, many writers over the years who have allied Magneto with Hitler in terms of his racism. Also the notion that the oppression of the German race was fictional is a crass generalisation of events from that period. It was much more complicated than that. I don't want to get into a historical debate, but Germany had been subdued by the Treaty of Versailles and the fallout of World War I, Nazism preyed on this fear, combined with the ever present threat of communism. As Chancellor, Hitler was responsible for several initiatives leading to economic recovery after a great depression. The German people felt victimised and Hitler utilised this in order to justify the anti-semitic atrocities that followed.
Either way, he still has blood on his hands in an attempt to justify mutant supremacy, whether you could percieve it as justified or not. I don't see Magneto fighting in a non-mutant world. It may be a matter of opinion but I think it's far too intrinsic to his character. I'm not saying he hasn't fought for other concerns in the past, rather that his campaign for mutant supremacy defines him.
