Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
PC CM was clearly above superman
Agreed. Adam literally tanked Supermans best shot, and treated the encounter like a sport, but when Captain Marvel got serious Adam FLED.
And it's not because he thought Superman would blindside him either, as Superman gave his promise not to attack Adam (Supes did blindside him on the grounds that the promise was not to attack him in the city, and the battle happened outside of it, but Adam didn't suspect this, and was purely running from Caps assault.)
Some PC Billy feats.
Strength: Was capable of matching Pre-Crisis Superman strength for strength. In his third appearance, Cap lifted over 400 tons on each arm. Was able to KO one of the Faces of Evil with a single punch. Said being was able to lift the entire Rock of Eternity off of him. Captain Marvel was likewise able to lift the Rock of Eternity and place it back over the Faces once he, Mary and Freddy had defeated them. Was able to stop a massive spaceship dead in its tracks. Was able to uproot a plant that Hercules couldn't uproot due to the Power of Zeus adding to his strength.Durability: Cap and Black Adam were unable to harm each other due to their invulnerability. Nothing Dr. Sivana was able to build was ever able to harm him physically, including things like a hand gun that could annihilate an army.
Speed: Routinely flew faster than light to reach the Rock of Eternity. Was able to punch an army of demons so quickly that they effectively were all hit in the same instant.
Endless Mike, they've fought pre crisis before.
Their biggest fight happpened in this big graphic novel called "DC Collectors Edition C-58: Superman vs Shazam", where both were mind controlled and bloodlusted, but were in full possession of their combat capabilities.
Basically, it came down to two things: 1. Captain Marvel was a little bit weaker, and got tired. His recuperative powers would've been much better in his home universe, if not inexhaustible.
2. Despite being at a disadvantage, Billy realized he could ko Superman with his magic lightning, and run away at super speed before he himself gets hit to avoid the transformation, and was about to do so when the wizard Shazam contacted him and insisted the fight must continue.
And of course, Superman promptly KOs him. 😛
The thing is, the wizard claimed Billy weakens outside of his home universe like Superman weakens under a red sun, but he didn't actually say Cap is more powerful then Supes.. I'm wondering if maybe Supes vs Cap in Billy's universe would result in an endless stalemate. Cap gets endlessly revived by his universes magic, and Supes gets infinite energy from the sun...
If you factor in the magic lightning, that could go either way for Cap. Either he hits Supes with it and wins, or Superman has the presence of mind to grab onto Cap and pull him into the lightning, in which case he'd win, as he did against the Captain Marvel clone, Captain Thunder. (And that's more or less how Supermans won every single post crisis match, except for the first Eclipso battle..)
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
PC supes and adam were invurnerable so yea, supes cant possibly win
You mean PC Cap and Adam were invulnerable. 😛
And you're right, they couldn't even harm each other.
However, the same thing applies for Superman/Superboy during certain eras. When Superboy and Mon El first fought, they couldn't harm each other too. True invulnerability.