The Breaker.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Shioon's power climb continues. I mean, I was frustrated about his Martial Arts being gone for such a long time. But now I think the writer is making Shioon too strong. He seems stronger than he was before he lost his Ki Center. They are comparing him to the Nine Arts Dragon: Chun-Woo.

It is possible that it is setting up to be a end-manhwa battle between Shioon and Chun-Woo.

Yeah, he is pretty boss now. I think he is supposed to be stronger than before he lost his ki center though. He has had more time to train, and didn't he do special training with that old lady? Also, the only thing stopping him from wrecking shop before was the damage to ki center. If he hadn't, he would have been the GOAT then. He had already memorized the movements the 9 arts dragon left him on the cell phone. Now, we just get to see them in action.

Awesome manga...good pick

The Breaker: New Waves is the best "manga" out there, right now.

Nothing comes close to being as awesome as it is. Gives the feels of when I first read Dragonball or Berserk while still being new at the same time.

I'm just glad Shioon has started to look BA. The only thing is, I hope the author doesn't write to be a tank all the time. That will get old fast. I hope after this current situation is over, Shioon gets to learn some Sunwoo clan techs from the lead elder. That dude is legit. I wanna see the progression from strong body to martial arts master. Kinda like what Kenichi has been going through.

Originally posted by socool8520
I'm just glad Shioon has started to look BA. The only thing is, I hope the author doesn't write to be a tank all the time. That will get old fast. I hope after this current situation is over, Shioon gets to learn some Sunwoo clan techs from the lead elder. That dude is legit. I wanna see the progression from strong body to martial arts master. Kinda like what Kenichi has been going through.

Shi-Woon got a boost because he got the "life force" infusion from his old master.

So, his Ki-center is fully restored and then some. Shi-Woon needs to hone his abilities to that of elite master level. He has the endurance and willpower to rival any top level master. He just needs more skills.

But, yes....Kwon is a beast. a Freakin' beast, to be exact. He is supposed to be #2...out of top 10. If I remember correctly, he would be #2 only to the Goomoonryong: The Nine Arts Dragon (Chun-Woo Han).

So, as I understand it, the beasts of each Art would be one of the 10. There are Nine Arts. At the head of the Nine is the Goomoonryong. Second only to the Goomoonryong would be Kwon, according to this latest chapter.

So Kwon really is the most beastly of all Martial Artists in this series...save it be for The Goomoonryong. At least that's how I understand it.

Mmmhmmm...chapter was made of win, yet again.

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/the_breaker_new_waves/c123/17.html

Because **** you, that's why. 😄

Elder Kwon laying down the law! Screw dueling formalities. In his eyes, this whole incident never happened.

Originally posted by Stealth
Elder Kwon laying down the law! Screw dueling formalities. In his eyes, this whole incident never happened.

Nah, it did happen...He acknowledges it...and now his only way of ensuring Shioon's safe return is to kill everyone. I love his negotiating.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Shi-Woon got a boost because he got the "life force" infusion from his old master.

So, his Ki-center is fully restored and then some. Shi-Woon needs to hone his abilities to that of elite master level. He has the endurance and willpower to rival any top level master. He just needs more skills.

Agreed. Shouldn't take him to long either seeing as how he can emulate moves after seeing them once. If he learns from the elder, he will be a beast quickly

Originally posted by dadudemon
But, yes....Kwon is a beast. a Freakin' beast, to be exact. He is supposed to be #2...out of top 10. If I remember correctly, he would be #2 only to the Goomoonryong: The Nine Arts Dragon (Chun-Woo Han).

So, as I understand it, the beasts of each Art would be one of the 10. There are Nine Arts. At the head of the Nine is the Goomoonryong. Second only to the Goomoonryong would be Kwon, according to this latest chapter.

So Kwon really is the most beastly of all Martial Artists in this series...save it be for The Goomoonryong. At least that's how I understand it.

I was under the impression that the guy that Goomoonryong fought at the end of the Breaker was no. 1. The Nine arts dragon wasn't included in the top ten even though he's the best as he denounced there ways, or so I thought. You may be right though. Regardless, that guy died, so Kwon is now the strongest in the recognized Murim alliance. That's awesome.

Originally posted by socool8520
Nah, it did happen...He acknowledges it...and now his only way of ensuring Shioon's safe return is to kill everyone. I love his negotiating.

Originally posted by dadudemon
But, yes....Kwon is a beast. a Freakin' beast, to be exact. He is supposed to be #2...out of top 10. If I remember correctly, he would be #2 only to the Goomoonryong: The Nine Arts Dragon (Chun-Woo Han).

Is Goomoonryong even considered one of the 10 Masters of Murim? Seeing as Murim tried to inevitably eradicate any known feats he had accomplished through his supposed martial heresy. I'm curious to know if there's someone stronger than Kwon currently, yet still below Chun Woo.

Like Kang Sung?

^ I agree with the 9 arts not being included. Like I said, i think that the guy he fought in the original breaker series was the recognized no. 1 in the murim world. I mean, I wouldn't think he would be the leader if he weren't the strongest, at least in this manga. I think kwon is the strongest master next to Goomoonryong now.

Originally posted by socool8520
^ I agree with the 9 arts not being included. Like I said, i think that the guy he fought in the original breaker series was the recognized no. 1 in the murim world. I mean, I wouldn't think he would be the leader if he weren't the strongest, at least in this manga. I think kwon is the strongest master next to Goomoonryong now.

The former Alliance Chief was not necessarily the #1 ranked.

It stands to reason that there are 9 arts, 9 masters of each art, and 1 master of all 9: the 9 arts dragon.

Being the Alliance Chief is not a title of "strongest Arts Master", it is just as it is: the Alliance Chief. Only the Goomoonryong can lay claim to the strongest.

Therefore, the only possible interpretation is Kwon is second to Shi Woon Yi.

The current alliance chief, Kang Sung, is not necessarily a grand master but many fans just assume Kang Sung is one of the 10 grand masters.

But here is the final nail in the idea that anyone but the Goomoonryong is the #1 master:

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/the_breaker_new_waves/c060/5.html

In reference to Kwon, "Did you know? he is the only one who is keeping the seat of a second in command as one of the great ten masters."

That means that all the 10 grand masters are heads of their clans...

But wait, there are only 9 seats that can be held.

So how can this be?

Simple: Shun Woo Han is the head of all the Dragon Arts. So even though there are 9 seats, of all the grand masters, only 1 of them is not head of a Dragon Art: Kwon.

On the next page, it even makes it clear that being one of the ten grand masters allows a person to form their own clan:

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/the_breaker_new_waves/c060/6.html

So, by now, it is pretty clear that the clan heads are almost always 1 of the 10 grand masters.

Looking down the list of clan masters:

http://thebreaker.wikia.com/wiki/Shinmujengpe#Two_or_More_Seat_Holders

But, the current Alliance Chief very well be the #1 because he is the master/head of 3 different clans. He is the 3-Arts dragon.

An exhausted and bloodied Shi Woon Yi had his moves parried by Kang Sung.

However, it is possible that kang Sung is the #1 grand master and Kwon the 2 with Shi Woon Yi being outside/above all 10 of the grand masters. But that makes little sense because Shi Woon Yi beat all 9 masters and became the 9 Arts Dragon by doing so. So Shi Woon Yi is clearly the strongest of the grand masters.

^ True...but he is denounced and unrecognized basically. Even though they know the 9 arts dragon to be the best....They don't include him since he turned his back on the murim rules. They never really have iirc.

Because Kwon is the only one mentioned as not being the head of a clan, he shares that in common only with Shi Woon Yi. Those are the only two "grand masters" that are also not heads of clans, thus far.

We have only a hint that Shi Woon Yi is the #1. We can only infer based on the Doctor and Kwon. We need to see the remaining masters.

But, Sung is not only the alliance leader but the head of 3 different clans.

Wait...why isn't the Goomoonryong also the alliance chief? It stands to reason that the IF you're of the 10 grand masters and also are head of your respective clan, then why does the title of Alliance Chief fall onto the Goomoonryong?

Wait, I get it: it is because of the collusion of the clans to never allow someone to defeat all 9 Art Dragons. That makes sense, now. So, because of decades or even hundreds of years of no Goomoonryong, then they just elect an Alliance Leader rather than doing it the old way via all of their defeat.

It makes more sense, now, that I think about it. That's why the clan heads hated Shi Woon Yi: he threatened to overturn their system of corruption and he is the rightful head of all the clans.

But Kwon could have been the leader of the Sun woo clan I thought. He chose not to. And even though the murim nation hates the sunwoo clan, they follow the rukles enough to be accepted.

You're right, the 9 arts dragon was not supposed to beat everyone. He doesn't follow their rules and that's why he isn't recognized. It also didn't help that they also hated his master. We know who the strongest is, but Kwon looks to be right under him.

Originally posted by socool8520
But Kwon could have been the leader of the Sun woo clan I thought.

Sort of. He never got the chance. The rightful leader abdicated/bestowed the right of leadership to Shioon (I forget how to spell the main character's name). So, there was never a literal chance of Kwon to ever take over unless he did it by force. I guess I am saying there was no gap for him.

Originally posted by socool8520
You're right, the 9 arts dragon was not supposed to beat everyone. He doesn't follow their rules and that's why he isn't recognized. It also didn't help that they also hated his master. We know who the strongest is, but Kwon looks to be right under him.

After talking it over with you, I think Sung is supposed to be the #1. I think you're right about Shi Woon Yi (the Goomoonryong) being outside of the Murim stuff and is not recognized by both him and the alliance leadership.

Hooray for intelligent and respectful discussion! 😄

Originally posted by dadudemon
Sort of. He never got the chance. The rightful leader abdicated/bestowed the right of leadership to Shioon (I forget how to spell the main character's name). So, there was never a literal chance of Kwon to ever take over unless he did it by force. I guess I am saying there was no gap for him.

I thought that his buddy, the one that was the head of the clan before the little girl, wanted him to be the clan head before he died or something like that, but I'm probably wrong. I'll have to read over that part again.

Originally posted by dadudemon
After talking it over with you, I think Sung is supposed to be the #1. I think you're right about Shi Woon Yi (the Goomoonryong) being outside of the Murim stuff and is not recognized by both him and the alliance leadership.

Hooray for intelligent and respectful discussion! 😄

It's always the the most productive way to reach a consensus. lol Although I could be wrong.

New chapter came out and Kwon looks even more boss than before. I wonder of the old doctor will try any of that needle work stuff on Kwon. He seems outclassed in the speed and strength department.

So the Elder is about to fight So-Chun Hyu

Originally posted by dadudemon
So the Elder is about to fight So-Chun Hyu

Don't forget the protagonist has the final say as the leader of the group.

Originally posted by vansonbee
or not.

Don't forget the protagonist has the final say as the leader of the group.

AHA!

Touché.

Knowing that, he'll probably tell Kwon that it was training and So-Chun Hyu was fighting Shioon as part of training to show good faith to the Sunwoo clan. That's at least partially true.