Interesting thread.
I already told RJ that I think it goes to the Mutants because the Mutants are like the vampires...cept every last mutant has a special "gift" and it's stronger than most of the vampires gifts.
Since movie four isn't out yet, no shield from Bella and no shield from Renata. We have to stick to the golden rule.
The vamps are sure fast..no doubt. Prolly faster than most of the Mutants can handle...and almost all of them (minus Aro and his two buddies) are 100+ ton class lifters, easily. I'd say the people that could go toe to toe with their speed are the "animal" type characters: Nightcrawler, Wolverine, Beast, Creed, Weapon XI, and probably someone else I'm forgetting. All the others have human-level reflexes and durability (fro the most part) and will go down quite easily.
The vampires perception of the world around them is every bit as good as Wolverine's, if not better (it's probably better as they have "sensed" people coming from hundreds of yards away). They should easily be able to see Phoenix's maelstrom disintegrating the world around her, as it extends out from her body, run away and around the ethereal fire, and come from behind to rape her (just like I would, teehee).
Magneto's and Storm's powers take too damn long to muster up and use.
Scott's optic blast is a heavy hitter, here. I see Scott taking out a dozen or two vampires, completely on his own, hands down. I was telling RJ that Xavier and Scott could solo the vamps (without Alice around to predict their approach, of course.) Cyclop's optic blast, in the Wolverine film, not only has it's kinetic punch, but it also has a "burn shit" element. He would punch through and light on fire any vamp that it touched, imo. Remember, to kill a vamp, you have to tear it apart and light it on fire: Cyclops optic blast appears to be able to do it at the same time (tear shit up and has a "superhot" element, to boot.)
Juggernaut: solos. They have no way of killing this douche. (I like the comic book version, better, by FAR! They totally douched up that guy. He could have been so much more awesome.)
Iceman: canon fodder.
Pyro: canon fodder.
Quillboar (that's what I'm calling him): canon fodder.
Beast: will be able to block one or two blows before his bones are shattered and his torn to pieces...he really doesn't stand a chance but his superhuman reflexes and agility should at least allow him to block 2 or 3 blows.
Nighcrawler: He might be able to keep up with their speed by dodging for a while, but his blows aren't anywhere close to being powerful enough to kill any vampire. No guns would do him any good, either. He goes down, eventually.
Blob: no here's a guy that just might be durable enough to go toe-to-toe. However, he has a glass jaw. Granted, wolverine is weaker than the Blob, but he is no where close to being as strong as a twivamp: the Blob is too slow and he gets his head torn off. (Blob is, what? an 80ton class lifter? He should be able to put the hurt on some of the physically weaker twivamps, but he won't kill anything.)
Wade is more than fast enough and has the reflexes to go toe-to-toe with a twivamp....cept that he isn't even remotely strong enough to block anything from a twivamp. Unfortunately, one of my favorite movie characters and comic book characters, bites the dust rather quickly.
Sabertooth: He's got the reflexes and the speed to exchange blows with a vamp. He is certainly more durable than a human, significantly. His claws tore through the hood of that car like it was butter, so we should see him handle some of the lighter blows with broken bones. However, he's not fast enough to hold them off beyond a couple of blows. He's not even remotely strong enough to damage the vamps. He goes down, almost as fast as Beast.
Death strike: Could solo.
Wolverine: could solo.
Multiple man: goes down, but it takes a while (hahaha)
Mystique: goes down (I wish 😉 ), easily.
Toad: Can keep up with the vamps for one or two blows, but dies, the instant a blow connects and he fails to dodge.
Rogue: Useless. Absolutely useless.
Kitty Pride: Can avoid as long as she stays clear...until one of the mental vamps like Jane, targets her. Then she's dead in less than a second.
Weapon XI: Potentially solos.
Angel: Useless as Jane can easily "look" him down, right out of the sky, and he falls to his death.
Colossus: very good matchup. I like this one. To a regular vamp, he might just be even more durable. But, keep in mind, when a vamp is destroyed, they say it sounds just like metal, excruciatingly (to the ears) being torn apart. I'd put the vamps durability around that of Colossus. However, the vamps have more strength and far greater speed. He goes down as soon as Jane does her bullshit.
Arclight: Fodder.
Callisto: fodder
Psylocke: this very watered down and WEAK version of a super sexy comic book character, goes down like a punk ass b*tch. Shame: her blades should slice right through the vamps like they were butter...she would just need a lighter. lol! (but she's not nearly fast enough to be able to use her blades against the vamps.)
Leech: Causes all the mutants to lose. LOL! hahahahahahahaha...oh man. Sorry, I had to point that out.
Moira: lol...hahahahaha. Again, I'm just wasting time. She begs to be turned, do to her scientific curiosity into the twivamps. Carlisle, being the kind benevolant man that he is, graciously turns her.
So, for reasons that I listed, the Mutants win.
Unless someone can convince me of why the adamantium folks can still lose, I'm siding with the mutants.
Now, if we had an adamantium wielding Quicksilver..... 😖hifty:
Originally posted by ares834
Yeah he did...
No he didn't.
Here's some of my posts in another topic regarding Wolvie vs Dark Phoenix.
Originally posted by Placidity
...And if you're going by the movie Wolverine, I would think Predator would win, since Logan got knocked out after being shot in the head in X2.
In X3, so-called Dark Phoenix wasnt even her full powers against him. The Phoenix obliterated everyone at the molecular level in less than a second. Theres just no way Logan could have regenerated from that if she unleashed her full powers on him.Also in X3, Logan got stabbed (by the guy that produces these wood things...) and he was down for the count for awhile (i.e 10-15 secs).
(Similar examples in X2, vs Lady Deathstrike)
Now imagine, how long he would be down after having a large chunk of flesh flayed from his body after being hit by a plasma cannon.
I believe that the Movie Wolverine is much less powerful than the Comics Wolverine... so lets not bring that into disscusion.
Originally posted by Placidity
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Do you really think Logan could've gotten close to the Phoenix if she didnt let him? (or Logan>Phoenix)You may have forgotten that she has telekinesis, which is what allows her to "demolecularize" objects. So even if she was struggling to demolecularize him as you claim, she could have pushed him away/ slammed him into the ground/ make him immobile etc (as shown earlier in the film).
They also have a love/hate relationship going on, hence why she didnt kill him. (or some claim that Jean was fighting/holding back the phoenix)
Observing what the Phoenix did to other victims should show that she was only using a fraction of her powers against Logan. Basically, she was only striping a few layers off his chest and face. Whereas, when using her full capacity, the victim is demolecularized from head to toe almost instantly (not just the chest etc).
Also, the Phoenix asks Logan: "You would die for them?", implying she is capable of killing him. And she probably well may have if Jean didnt surface after that.
In addition, Judging by previous feats of Logan's healing factor in the films, it is also obvious he cannot regenerate at any rate as close to how quickly Phoenix can demolecularize objects(i.e almost instantly).
Originally posted by bobbi
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I for one thought his evidence was fairly good (don't exactly remember how long the bone guy took out wolverine for (15sec seems long but i dont remember) but thats just 1 thing). Pretty much every damage we've seen of movie wolv takes a second or 2 at least to heal and we've seen phoenix disintegrate ppl in less than that. Unless jean's disintegration powers are weaker than a bullet, sabertooths claws, and many others than she should have been able to stop him.And jean can LEVITATE PPL with EASE. If she really wanted wolv dead she could have done that and choked him or even continue disintegrating him. Magneto was even able to do whatever he wanted to wolv and jean is way stronger than magneto. She decided to levitate the professor and random guys in that last scene so why not wolvs?
Originally posted by marwash22
I thought i already told you mofo's that Deadpool solos. If it's not him, it's Phoenix./Thread.
Deadpool'll be a pain in the ass for the Twivamps, no doubt.
DP'll have her hands full TRYING to avoid Akasha setting her on fire.
There IS no solo here, anyone who claims this is a douche.
Originally posted by PlacidityRead the OP.
Why wouldn't DP just disintegrate her (and everyone else's) ass?
Besides, Akasha's TK fire attack was more impressive. If DP takes the time to target and fry everyone, it won't be instant, she'll be wide open for Akasha. Not to mention Jane can mind rape her.
Question...Janes powers, will they penetrate Magnetos helmet?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Read the OP.Besides, Akasha's TK fire attack was more impressive. If DP takes the time to target and fry everyone, it won't be instant, she'll be wide open for Akasha. Not to mention Jane can mind rape her.
Question...Janes powers, will they penetrate Magnetos helmet?
OP doesn't seem relevant to my question.
Also DP doesn't need to take time to "target" anyone. And yes she can disintegrate masses instantaneously.
As a kid she lifted all that shit outside at once without even looking. And the obvious one - the end of the film where she kills everyone and destroys the prison.
Originally posted by Placidity
OP doesn't seem relevant to my question.Also DP doesn't need to take time to "target" anyone. And yes she can disintegrate masses instantaneously.
As a kid she lifted all that shit outside at once without even looking. And the obvious one - the end of the film where she kills everyone and destroys the prison.
I know, but Akasha can attack just like DP can. Her attacks were instant, and she attacked about twenty vamps at once without even seeing them. Their attacks are pretty similar.
And it's pretty obvious that Akasha can employ her TK as a shield. She emerged from the burning bar unscathed. She walked right through inferno-like flames, and even her clothes were untouched by the flames.
That wasn't really a shield, that was her doing what was basically a big ass Jedi force push. I guess it can be called a shield, yeah? Thing is, Akasha was employing hers as she walked along. JG/DP had to concentrate and extend her hand. AND it's doubtful that she can do the "shield" and attack at the same time.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
That wasn't really a shield, that was her doing what was basically a big ass Jedi force push. I guess it can be called a shield, yeah? Thing is, Akasha was employing hers as she walked along. JG/DP had to concentrate and extend her hand. AND it's doubtful that she can do the "shield" and attack at the same time.
That wasn't Dark Phoenix though, it was a surfacing DP/Jean Grey.
DP would not have struggled with that mass of water.
Originally posted by Placidity
That wasn't Dark Phoenix though, it was a surfacing DP/Jean Grey.DP would not have struggled with that mass of water.
Point.
You're thinking of this the wrong way, man. This isn't a toe to toe battle, it will take place all over the world. Odds are that DP will never see Akasha's/Jane's attack coming, and vice versa.
Also, you gotta remember that Akasha is like 6-7000 years old, that has to count for something when it comes to raw power.
Originally posted by McNasty996
When did the Vamps get 100 ton strength,yes thier stupid
strong but iwouldnt place them anywhere near hulk or things
level at most I'd say 20Also was it ever shown that the Akasha's fire thing worked
on anything else beside vampires
It happened when Edward, who is not the strongest in his coven, pushed over a large, alive, tree, from the base. That would take well over 100 tons of force, at the location he pushed it over. On top of that, he pushed it over with relative ease.
We know that that feat is well within the Canon descriptions of the vamps. Bella says that they could throw a car like it was styrofoam. That also fits within what we see on screen: Edward barely extended his hand out and the moving van stopped and bounced like it hit an adamantium wall. Then Edward proceeeded to discretely slide it away, a bit, to make more room...again, like it was nothing.
More on topic - I forgot about Akasha's flying an lighting bodies on fire, ability.
Originally posted by McNasty996It's pyrokinesis, dude. It works on whatever she wants.
When did the Vamps get 100 ton strength,yes thier stupid
strong but iwouldnt place them anywhere near hulk or things
level at most I'd say 20Also was it ever shown that the Akasha's fire thing worked
on anything else beside vampires
If that's the card you're gonna play, I'll come right back with "DP's powers were never shown working on vampires."
To add to that, Anne Rice decribed the ability as an uber form of TK...working to make their particles (tee) move so fast, and in such a short period of time, that it ignites.
That, or that's what I assumed, as a kid, reading the books. 😬
Anyway, I did the math on the weight of that tree.
I assumed it was a pine of some sort. (Doesn't matter as some trees have much more weight so I could make this number bigger, if i wanted to.)
That tree weighs 73 tons (diameter 3 feet with a height of 50 feet...both of those are conservative estimates), at the very least.
He pushed it over, so hard, that it broke at the base.
Just guessing, but it would probably take hundreds of tons of force to actually break and push over a tree of that size, from the base. He makes collosus look week. lol!