Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Not the case as Dumbledore beat Grindelwald. 😐
Edit: This is actually discussed quite often some theories include the fact that Grindelwald never became the Master of the wand as he stole it. Others that it is simply a powerful wand. No one really knows. But the second one doesn't make sense to me. After all, Harry managed to defeat Voldemort due to th Elder Wand, obviously Voldemart>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Harry, but the wand made THAT much diffrence. If Grindelwald used the wand against Dumbledore and was defeated he would have to ve FAR inferior. But there is plenty to suggest that Grindelwald is an incredibly powerful wizard as well.
Regardless, it imensilly magical and IMO far more magical than Riptide. After all it is a deathly hallow, and one of these has the power to bring spirits back the world of the living.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Drop the elder wand shit, Harry has his regular wand. And DDM is right, all my threads, unless stated otherwise in the OP, the combatants have at least general knowledge of each other.
You're correct. Harry doesn't have the Elder Wand as Deathly Hallows, part 1 and 2, are not out yet. 🙂
Do I win a COOOOOKIE?!?!?!?!?\
And, the Elder Wand discussion is actually just baseless speculation. It's more of a title than power.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Drop the elder wand shit, Harry has his regular wand.
Originally posted by dadudemon
And, the Elder Wand discussion is actually just baseless speculation. It's more of a title than power.
Originally posted by ares834
Nah. It had enough power to rebound the Killing Curse, fix Harry's wand, and allow Harry to beat Voldy. It is immensly powerful.
Nah.
It had the power to work like a gun with a safety on it: if the owner of the wand didn't want the wand to hurt them, it wouldn't. That's just an anti-theft mechanism: something the Weasley Twins could easily conjure up.
Fixing a wand is hardly a "super power". That's a really lame super power.
And it didn't allow Harry to beat Voldy: Voldy killed himself with his over-confidence. 😬
On top of that, the owner of the Elder Wand consistently got killed or defeated...quite often. It has a bloody history and, apparently, it's only real super-power is keeping people from using the wand against you: all other powers are hearsay, false, or extremely weak "super-powers" (repairing a wand is quite a lame "super-power".)
Originally posted by ares834
I always assumed that Grindelwald did not use the wand against Dumbledore.Edit: This is actually discussed quite often some theories include the fact that Grindelwald never became the Master of the wand as he stole it. Others that it is simply a powerful wand. No one really knows. But the second one doesn't make sense to me. After all, Harry managed to defeat Voldemort due to th Elder Wand, obviously Voldemart>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Harry, but the wand made THAT much diffrence. If Grindelwald used the wand against Dumbledore and was defeated he would have to ve FAR inferior. But there is plenty to suggest that Grindelwald is an incredibly powerful wizard as well.
Regardless, it imensilly magical and IMO far more magical than Riptide. After all it is a deathly hallow, and one of these has the power to bring spirits back the world of the living.
Grindelwald lusted after power in his youth. Once he had it, I find it highly unlikely that he would not use it.
The allegiance of the wand turned to Dumbledore after he beat Grindelwald. That would never have happened unless Grindelwald was the master of the wand.
That aside, Grindelwald stuns Gregorovitch to get the wand. Draco was able to become the master of the wand by simply disarming Dumbledore. So yes, Grindelwald was the master of the wand.
The wand is arguably the weakest of the Hallows, combat power aside. One has the power to shield oneself from Death apparently, while the other can bring back people from the dead, albeit, they aren't really alive.
The Elder Wand is simply a super-wand, with the exception that its loyalty can easily change. As we already know, it's not unbeatable. Dumbledore himself couldn't truly beat Voldemort at their duel in the Ministry, despite being the master of the Elder Wand.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Nah.It had the power to work like a gun with a safety on it: if the owner of the wand didn't want the wand to hurt them, it wouldn't. That's just an anti-theft mechanism: something the Weasley Twins could easily conjure up.
Fixing a wand is hardly a "super power". That's a really lame super power.
And it didn't allow Harry to beat Voldy: Voldy killed himself with his over-confidence. 😬
On top of that, the owner of the Elder Wand consistently got killed or defeated...quite often. It has a bloody history and, apparently, it's only real super-power is keeping people from using the wand against you: all other powers are hearsay, false, or extremely weak "super-powers" (repairing a wand is quite a lame "super-power".)
And DP, good points. Saying it was unbeatable of me was wrong. I agree with you. All though I would sya it is more impressive than the Cloak, hiding from Death is IMO obviously not true. After all, DD sees the three of them under the Cloak in CoS IIRC.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Grindelwald lusted after power in his youth. Once he had it, I find it highly unlikely that he would not use it.The allegiance of the wand turned to Dumbledore after he beat Grindelwald. That would never have happened unless Grindelwald was the master of the wand.
That aside, Grindelwald stuns Gregorovitch to get the wand. Draco was able to become the master of the wand by simply disarming Dumbledore. So yes, Grindelwald was the master of the wand.The wand is arguably the weakest of the Hallows, combat power aside. One has the power to shield oneself from Death apparently, while the other can bring back people from the dead, albeit, they aren't really alive.
The Elder Wand is simply a super-wand, with the exception that its loyalty can easily change. As we already know, it's not unbeatable. Dumbledore himself couldn't truly beat Voldemort at their duel in the Ministry, despite being the master of the Elder Wand.
Ok so I watched Percy Jackson last night and yeah I still give it to him, he managed to deflect every lightning bolt thrown at him whilst sliding down the roof of that building. I've never seen Harry do anything like that or as impressive. He also decapitated that...creature which name I can't remember, it had multiple heads and Percy cut them all of, dumbass idea BUT if it hadn't been able to grow it's heads back it woulda been an impressive feat. I'm pretty sure that Percy may even be strong enough to summon water from the lake near hogwarts and use it to his advantage.
Originally posted by omgchos
I just want to point out that i hate the director for making the movie duel this way. In the book there was no question who was winning the duel. In point of fact, he was dueling Bellatrix, and Voldy in the book. Voldemort actually boned outta the fight cuz he was being PWNT. Tho because this is a movie versus forum i guess it doesn't count.
In the book, Bellatrix is simply cast aside by Voldemort like the insignificant fool she is, and is immobilized by Dumbledore the minute he appears. The actual duel was entirely between Dumbledore & Voldemort, and it was pretty even. Voldemort actually could have beaten Dumbledore at one point, had it not been for Fawkes taking the curse.
That's when Dumbledore gets the upper-hand, by encasing Voldemort in water. Voldemort escapes and tries to get Dumbledore to kill Harry, but then flees after the Ministry officials arrive.
So Dumbledore could not truly defeat Voldemort in the book.
Originally posted by steverules_2I'm leaning towards Percy to. He seemed at home in battle.
Ok so I watched Percy Jackson last night and yeah I still give it to him, he managed to deflect every lightning bolt thrown at him whilst sliding down the roof of that building. I've never seen Harry do anything like that or as impressive. He also decapitated that...creature which name I can't remember, it had multiple heads and Percy cut them all of, dumbass idea BUT if it hadn't been able to grow it's heads back it woulda been an impressive feat. I'm pretty sure that Percy may even be strong enough to summon water from the lake near hogwarts and use it to his advantage.