Sundipped Superman VS World Breaker Hulk

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Did Imperiex create the planet? Did Braniac use Imperiex to create the planet? Was he using Imperiex's powers to maintain the planet?

The same pushing force that exists before absorbing Imperiex's energy. So Superman pushes Pluto (smaller than the moon) against its thrusters. Hyperion stops an Earth sized planet moving at 500,000 mph.

Hulk's arms are being held down by Onslaught. Hulk has to negate Onslaught's strength to throw the punch. He actually has to punch through Onslaught's strength to land the blow and Hulk is not even at World Breaker level.

Action Comics #782: Superman’s greatest ever feat of raw power. After flying through the sun for an increase in power, Superman moves Warworld. Braniac had stolen the energy of Imperiex. Imperiex gained his power from the consumption of thousands of whole galaxies since the dawn of time. Braniac’s narrative: “ Full _thrust_counter-measure! How is he moving my planet? The Kryptonian does not have that power!” The panel clearly shows the blue Imperiex energies firing from WarWorld’s engines.

Such conclusions involve heavy extrapolation. Nowhere does the book make any statement of Superman overpowering thousands of galaxies of power. The book does specifically explain that Braniac will use the power to spread like a virus. Not to power thrusters.

But that's ok. Consistency would suggest acceptance that Hyperion holds two universes apart, a conclusion that, in my opinion, requires significantly less conjecture. Or lets take Hulk's example.

Franklin Richards creates a universe:

http://imgur.com/a/iAlrW#0

Onslaught absorbs Franklin Richards on top of already Skyfather level power and along with X-Man. Hulk powers trough Onslaught's grip to land a devastating punch that shatters Onslaught. This particular Hulk is clearly below World Breaker level. Thus Hulk is more impressive.

Same reason we don't necessarily say x character just knocked down thousands of worlds worth of power when Galactus gets hurt.

Of course not.

Scan clearly says BILLIONS of SUPERNOVAE.

SMH at this Thor hater.

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Originally posted by TheHulkster
[B]Did Imperiex create the planet? Did Braniac use Imperiex to create the planet? Was he using Imperiex's powers to maintain the planet?

This isn't even close to the same thing.
superman pushed warworld that was using Imperiex power as shown in the comic.
If you can show that franklin was holding up Onslaughts armor then ill concede that hulk overcame his power

But didn't onslaught want to come out of his armor in his energy form?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Such conclusions involve heavy extrapolation. Nowhere does the book make any statement of Superman overpowering thousands of galaxies of power. The book does specifically explain that Braniac will use the power to spread like a virus. Not to power thrusters.

But that's ok. Consistency would suggest acceptance that Hyperion holds two universes apart, a conclusion that, in my opinion, requires significantly less conjecture. Or lets take Hulk's example.

Franklin Richards creates a universe:

http://imgur.com/a/iAlrW#0

Onslaught absorbs Franklin Richards on top of already Skyfather level power and along with X-Man. Hulk powers trough Onslaught's grip to land a devastating punch that shatters Onslaught. This particular Hulk is clearly below World Breaker level. Thus Hulk is more impressive.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Did Imperiex create the planet? Did Braniac use Imperiex to create the planet? Was he using Imperiex's powers to maintain the planet?

The same pushing force that exists before absorbing Imperiex's energy. So Superman pushes Pluto (smaller than the moon) against its thrusters. Hyperion stops an Earth sized planet moving at 500,000 mph.

Hulk's arms are being held down by Onslaught. Hulk has to negate Onslaught's strength to throw the punch. He actually has to punch through Onslaught's strength to land the blow and Hulk is not even at World Breaker level.

Brainiac was using Imperiex power to do everything. Normal Superman along with Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman and Captain Atom couldn't even break a light construct. This was OWAW Superman we are talking about.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ok, its often asked just how powerful Sundipped Superman was compared to normal Superman in OWAW.

So first lets see how Normal Superman, Captain Marvel, Captain Atom and Wonder Woman were faring against mere hardlight constructs of Warworld.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028860/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg09.jpg.html

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028862/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg10.jpg.html

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028865/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg11.jpg.html

Not great it seems. Entropy Aegis comes and oneshots all of them in one panel.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028866/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg12.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028868/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg13.jpg.html

Now Warworld's tendril that was connecting to Earth. It was so strong that a suicide attempt by Maxima and Massacre was just enough to send a shiver through it.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028862/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg10.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028865/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg11.jpg.html

Entropy Aegis severed it in one attack though. The tendrils healed back.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028866/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg12.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028868/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg13.jpg.html

And even Themyscira thrown to the tendril barely caused any trouble to it.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028871/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg14.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028872/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg15.jpg.html

Superman, Captain Marvel and Captain Atom were unable to do anything to it apparently, so they went in to divert B13's attention. So far so good.

Until B13 makes the tendrils a hundred times more powerful and even Entropy Aegis is useless.

Superman sundipped and effortlessly broke the conduits/tendrils magnified hundredfold in power when normal Superman couldn't take it on at normal level along with several top tiers.

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supessundips1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supessundips2.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supessundips3.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supessundips4.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supessundips5.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supessundips6.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supessundips7.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supessundips8.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supessundips9.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supessundips10.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supessundips11.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supessundips12.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supessundips13.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supessundips14.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supessundips15.jpg

Superman was at least powered up by a factor of hundreds.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Such conclusions involve heavy extrapolation. Nowhere does the book make any statement of Superman overpowering thousands of galaxies of power. The book does specifically explain that Braniac will use the power to spread like a virus. Not to power thrusters.

But that's ok. Consistency would suggest acceptance that Hyperion holds two universes apart, a conclusion that, in my opinion, requires significantly less conjecture. Or lets take Hulk's example.

Franklin Richards creates a universe:

http://imgur.com/a/iAlrW#0

Onslaught absorbs Franklin Richards on top of already Skyfather level power and along with X-Man. Hulk powers trough Onslaught's grip to land a devastating punch that shatters Onslaught. This particular Hulk is clearly below World Breaker level. Thus Hulk is more impressive.

A baby universe isn't impressive. A human made bomb can destroy it.
Cap can smash the shit outta it with his shield.

Many disagree that Hyperion held two universes apart. Some say it was two planets.

Originally posted by abhilegend
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Brainiac was using Imperiex power to do everything. Normal Superman along with Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman and Captain Atom couldn't even break a light construct. This was OWAW Superman we are talking about.

Saying he just stopped a moon sized planet is sheer idiocy.

Why do you discuss the Aegis when we are discussing exclusively the energy within it? Why do you post scans and then add commentary that is not shown in the scans. He pushes a Pluto sized planet against it's thrusters. Dialogue supports this. Illustrations don't show any different. Cry additionally.

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Originally posted by h1a8
A baby universe isn't impressive. A human made bomb can destroy it.
Cap can smash the shit outta it with his shield.

Many disagree that Hyperion held two universes apart. Some say it was two planets.

There are at least two trillion galaxies in the OBSERVABLE universe. Imperiex absorbs a number of galaxies. A baby universe at the very least matches what Imperiex absorbs and possibly well exceeds it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/18/science/two-trillion-galaxies-at-the-very-least.html?_r=0

And many disagree that Superman pushes thousands of galaxies of power and some say it is one Pluto sized planet against thrusters.

Is there an official statement of rough number of galaxies Imperiex absorbs?

Originally posted by Diesldude
This isn't even close to the same thing.
superman pushed warworld that was using Imperiex power as shown in the comic.

Never shown in the comic.

If you can show that franklin was holding up Onslaughts armor then ill concede that hulk overcame his power.

It's not just the armor. There is the punching through Onslaughts grip which has Hulk's arms pinned to the ground.

didn't onslaught want to come out of his armor in his energy form?

No such thing is ever stated in the book. All that is shown is that shattering Onslaught doesn't stop him and actually makes for a potentially worse situation. Nothing related to what Onslaught desires.

If we are to come to that conclusion, then we must equally conclude that Doomsday desires for Superman to rip him in half since infecting Superman is part of his goal of evolving.

Except Doomsday didn't scream AT LAST, FREEDOM!!! After Supey tore him in half...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Except Doomsday didn't scream AT LAST, FREEDOM!!! After Supey tore him in half...

Where does Onslaught say this?

It was earlier, when Thor blew a hole through him:

https://m.imgur.com/a/Vs8UJ

WBH 10/10 in the old fisticuffs

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It was earlier, when Thor blew a hole through him:

https://m.imgur.com/a/Vs8UJ

Well that is unrelated to the Hulk fight and he is declaring that he is free from Xavier's influence now that Xavier is no longer a part of him. Xavier is asserting restraint on him before being removed. Kind of how Banner restrains Hulk.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
There are at least two trillion galaxies in the OBSERVABLE universe. Imperiex absorbs a number of galaxies. A baby universe at the very least matches what Imperiex absorbs and possibly well exceeds it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/18/science/two-trillion-galaxies-at-the-very-least.html?_r=0

And many disagree that Superman pushes thousands of galaxies of power and some say it is one Pluto sized planet against thrusters.

Is there an official statement of rough number of galaxies Imperiex absorbs?

But size matters. Creating a baby universe is a very weak feat. It doesn't take much power to create a baby universe the size of a human head vs. a full sized universe.

A punch from a plasma emiting Superman that is at least 100 fold stronger than trans probe busting Superman?

Superman has this in the bag IMO

Originally posted by h1a8
But size matters. Creating a baby universe is a very weak feat. It doesn't take much power to create a baby universe the size of a human head vs. a full sized universe.

I don't think it works like that. It's not an actual miniature universe per say. What he holds is like a small manifestation of a universe. We see Franklin and his friend enter it and it has a cosmos and all. It's just like Reese holding the previous omniverse in a box:

Or Mxy considering shaking a universe here:

Or Jean Grey holding the universe: