Originally posted by EstacadoWhat does Tutinax have to do with Despero? Tutinax isn't getting one-shotted by heat vision, bitten by sharks, stabbed by steel rods or kitty-scratched by Vixen. You're acting like someone who has clearly been proven to be physically above Thor would succumb to that. And whatexactly was the point you were trying to make?
Thor got whooped by Tutinax.Desp wins by default...see I can do that as well.
as for the record the Despero that was hurt by shark and steel rods still beat the Jla including Superman Martian Manhunter aquaman Hal and many others..
Did you just try to lowball Thor by using Tutinax? Tutinax of all characters? Next thing y'know, you'll cite to Kurse, Durok and Mangog next and expect me to get mad. lol Despero's physicality since Vice and Virtue hasn't been matched, much less approached. Pointing that out is no justification for completely misplaced attempts at lowballing.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Because people want to ignore the most recent appearances of Despero that involve sharks, steel rods, heat vision one-shotting and kitty-clawing.
Granted.
The same way people would want to ignore Nefaria getting sliced up by Wolverine. ^_^
The "most recent" thing doesn't preclude discarding low showings, right?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Virtue and Vice Despero isn't the norm, but it does seem to be the Despero most people use in debates.
The low showings ODG mentioned isn't the norm, either.
Since Giffen, he was written as a beast up to Virtue Vice, than later was subject to a lot of bad writing. The same as Count Nefaria, which is why I used him in my example...
^ Bad writing is merely a euphemism for current consistent writing that some find disappointing. And arguing that it's bad writing doesn't preclude that version from being the version used in a thread absent clear PIS. I'd disagree that it's PIS at this point. Despero apparently uses different bodies and his current bodies haven't even approached Vice & Virtue levels. That's made clear by his several appearances since that storyline.
His Virtue/Vice body was actually Lex Luthers, and that's where his best showings come from..
Without explanation to why he'd use a weaker body, I'd still consider that "bad writing".. In the case of Grundy or Amazo, they don't get to choose their bodies, but Despero does, as his body snatching and conversion is an act of will..
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
What does Tutinax have to do with Despero? Tutinax isn't getting one-shotted by heat vision, bitten by sharks, stabbed by steel rods or kitty-scratched by Vixen. You're acting like someone who has clearly been proven to be physically above Thor would succumb to that. And whatexactly was the point you were trying to make?Did you just try to lowball Thor by using Tutinax? Tutinax of all characters? Next thing y'know, you'll cite to Kurse, Durok and Mangog next and expect me to get mad. lol Despero's physicality since Vice and Virtue hasn't been matched, much less approached. Pointing that out is no justification for completely misplaced attempts at lowballing.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Because people act like Despero's physicality is what wins rather than his telepathy. Next time, figure out what it is I'm talking about before inserting your two cents. Although the misplaced Tutinax lowballing was good for a chuckle.
^ I was pointing out that his current physicality across at last three of his most current appearances isn't anywhere near Vice & Virtue levels and that's true. Because those feats were being cited. Despero physically isn't at Vice & Virtue levels. That shouldn't chafe your rectum because that's plain fact. And that's all I was speaking to when Vice & Virtue physical feats started being thrown around.
Then you went on some phailtastic tangent about Thor being beaten by someone who is, by all appearances, physically superior to him just as if Kurse, Durok or Mangog did the same as if that were a lowballing feat. Do you lowball Wonderwoman by mentioning H/P Doomsday? lulz
And now you're bringing up Hulk? Focus and get a grip. Just because you shot from the hip and completely missed because you had no idea where to aim at with your uninformed self isn't justification for your pms'ing now.
You weren't pointing out anything but crappy durability you said nothing about his strenght or anything else...
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Because people want to ignore the most recent appearances of Despero that involve sharks, steel rods, heat vision one-shotting and kitty-clawing.
Even in V&V he was hurt by Hawkman'S mace and other things...
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Stop trying to move the goalposts to save face. If you think current Despero's durability has nothing to do with him tanking a group tackle from the JLA's and JSA's heavy hitters, you're hopeless. If you think current Despero's durability has nothing to do with his physicality, you're hopeless.
Even in VV he had bad showings against Hawkman and others is durability was never top Hulk level at best...
^ Stop moving the goalposts. I'm talking about Despero's physicality. Vice & Virtue is outdated when speaking to current Despero and that remains true based on his most recent appearances. That's got nothing to do with how heroes have to work around his telepathy that, yes, still remains superior to anything the JLA have.
Hawkman's mace is a red herring. That thing has hurt top tier beings almost on a consistent basis. I shouldn't have to remind you of that.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Stop moving the goalposts. I'm talking about Despero's physicality. Vice & Virtue is outdated when speaking to current Despero and that remains true based on his most recent appearances. That's got nothing to do with how heroes have to work around his telepathy that, yes, still remains superior to anything the JLA have.Hawkman's mace is a red herring. That thing has hurt top tier beings almost on a consistent basis. I shouldn't have to remind you of that.
All im saying is that just because he has been hurt by less doesnt make him weaker...
Current Despero is definitely < V&V Despero, or even pre V&V Despero.
That said, whenever other characters with variable showings pop up (Like Grundy or Amazo), don't most posters argue from the "better" versions, even if it's not the most current?
That may be against board rules, depending on how they're interpreted, but just saying.
Originally posted by cdtmThis is what I was wondering too.
Current Despero is definitely < V&V Despero, or even pre V&V Despero.That said, whenever other characters with variable showings pop up (Like Grundy or Amazo), don't most posters argue from the "better" versions, even if it's not the most current?
That may be against board rules, depending on how they're interpreted, but just saying.
If so, Despero takes it. As it has been said, he is a top-tier team beater. I'm a Thor fan, but Despero was made to make "groups" of class 100 characters sh** a brick.
Originally posted by Horrificus
This is what I was wondering too.
Are we talking about Regular Thor at his best, against Regular Despero at his best, both without any amp's outside of their normal character profiles?If so, Despero takes it. As it has been said, he is a top-tier team beater. I'm a Thor fan, but Despero was made to make "groups" of class 100 characters sh** a brick.
Pretty much.
Those scans I dug up of Despero knocking Lobo around are from the days when Lobo was being pushed as an ultimate badass. Not too long after he beat down Superman, or when Lobo knocked around Captain Marvel...
If Thor took on that Despero, I could see him beating him with his versatility, but not in a straight physical contest.