Speculation on Dooku's part or not I'm not sure why so many people are saying Palpatine in this thread. Sure by DE, Sids had grown in power like he had never been. True, no issue there. However, common sense and deduction tells us this… If Dooku felt like Dark Yoda could easy destroy Sids as of ROTS, then that tells us he was considering beyond Sids in power. Now Sids increasing in power then might bring him to Yoda's level, yet you guys are acting like it's the other way around. It's all speculation on what yoda would be and how much more powerful Sids was as of DE compared to Rots. Either way, I don’t understand why so many people are definitively saying Sids.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Speculation on Dooku's part or not I'm not sure why so many people are saying Palpatine in this thread. Sure by DE, Sids had grown in power like he had never been. True, no issue there. However, common sense and deduction tells us this… If Dooku felt like Dark Yoda could easy destroy Sids as of ROTS, then that tells us he was considering beyond Sids in power. Now Sids increasing in power then might bring him to Yoda's level, yet you guys are acting like it's the other way around. It's all speculation on what yoda would be and how much more powerful Sids was as of DE compared to Rots. Either way, I don’t understand why so many people are definitively saying Sids.
I don't either man. They must either love Sidious or hate Yoda. Probably both.
Honestly I never understood Dooku's claim. DS is not > than the LS, so why would Yoda suddenly be far more powerful? The DS is only quicker and easier, but Yoda, who has trained for hundreds of years, really shouldn't have much to grow. IMO it seems Dooku thought that since he got far more powerful Yoda would as well, but that was simply speculation.
"At this moment Yoda turned, and Dooku gasped. Whether it was the play of the holomonitors, beaming their views of bleak space and distant battles, or some other trick of the light, Yoda's face was deeply hidden in the shadows, mottled black and blue, so that for one terrible instant he looked exactly like Darth Sidious. Or rather, it was Yoda as he might have been, or could yet become: a Yoda gone rotten, a Yoda whose awesome powers had been utterly unleashed by his connection to the dark side. In a flash Dooku saw how foolish he had been, trying to urge the old Master to the dark side. If Yoda ever turned that way, Sidious himself would be annihilated. The universe had yet to comprehend the kind of evil that a Jedi Knight of nearly nine hundred years could wield..." - Dark Rendezvous
It wasn't speculation on Dooku's end, so much as it was a realization. A realization that if Yoda chose to embrace the dark side, it would enable him to unmask power so great that even Palpatine's would be as nothing. Having said that, there's no reason to think the aforementioned mental monologue was hyperbolic, and/or untrue, imo. Sean Stewart chose to include that tidbit in the novel for a reason.
Galan007
It wasn't speculation on Dooku's end, so much as it was a realization.
'Realization' by a fallible third party is still nothing more than an assumption in the grand scheme of things.
Galan007
A realization that if Yoda chose to embrace the dark side, it would enable him to unmask power so great that even Palpatine's would be as nothing.
Those were not the words that were used, which is why it remains speculation.
Galan007
Having said that, there's no reason to think the aforementioned mental monologue was hyperbolic, and/or untrue, imo.
The fact that Dooku's assessment is the only thing indicating as much?
Galan007
Sean Stewart chose to include that tidbit in the novel for a reason.
This is irrelevant. One can assume that all authors of every book ever chose to include every line therein for a reason.
Originally posted by Gideon
'Realization' by a fallible third party is still nothing more than an assumption in the grand scheme of things.Those were not the words that were used, which is why it remains speculation.
The fact that Dooku's assessment is the only thing indicating as much?
This is irrelevant. One can assume that all authors of every book ever chose to include every line therein for a reason.
Yet Dooku's a far more credible source than you or I when it comes to discerning what a Jedi could be if he turned. In fact, he experienced it first hand, which gives even more credibility to said statement. The fact remains, the his opinion is worth more your speculation on DS Yoda. The fact that Yoda would easy destroy Sids.. means that DE Sids still might be below yoda, equal to or possible slightly superior (which is the least likely of all three)
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiI agree with all of this except the last bit. Imo, DE Palps is > 'Darth Yoda'.
Yet Dooku's a far more credible source than you or I when it comes to discerning what a Jedi could be if he turned. In fact, he experienced it first hand, which gives even more credibility to said statement. The fact remains, the his opinion is worth more your speculation on DS Yoda. The fact that Yoda would easy destroy Sids.. means that DE Sids still might be below yoda, equal to or possible slightly superior (which is the least likely of all three)
KT
Yet Dooku's a far more credible source than you or I when it comes to discerning what a Jedi could be if he turned. In fact, he experienced it first hand, which gives even more credibility to said statement. The fact remains, the his opinion is worth more your speculation on DS Yoda. The fact that Yoda would easy destroy Sids.. means that DE Sids still might be below yoda, equal to or possible slightly superior (which is the least likely of all three)
It's not a fact. It's his opinion. He has know way of knowing for certain.
Originally posted by Galan007
I agree with all of this except the last bit. Imo, DE Palps is > 'Darth Yoda'.
Based on what my friend?
If we have Yoda totally destroying sids with ease if he turned to the DS.. that means he is WELL above Sids at that point. Not to mention the fact that it didn't say with years of DS practice... he implied it like it would be almost immediate if he transformed. Thus we can discern that he is leagues above DS... Thus DE Sids being more powerful would lead you to believe he surpassed that yoda that was far above Sids previously?
Palpatine himself stated that he was far more powerful by the time of DE, then he had ever been. And considering DE took place 6 years after the battle of Endor (which equates to decades of time to further his powers) it's safe to assume that he was correct in his self-assessment.
Having said that, we can logically say that DE Palpatine would, too, have "annihilated" his Clone Wars incarnation. Tack on the fact that we know nothing about 'Darth Yoda', and there's really not much of a debate to be had.
...Especially with Palpatine's pesky force storms being thrown into the mix.