Vader vs. Dooku....force only

Originally posted by Lord Lucien

5 years later and not-Palpatine's-strongest-lightning-by-far literally guarantees his death. It's that kind of inconsistency, especially with such an iconic character like Vader, that I dislike.

Don't you think it's possible, even probable, that Sidious increased his Force Lightning output when Vader grabbed a hold of him? I mean, yeah he was only using enough output to torture Luke, but I would think he'd increase it after being grabbed by Vader and lifted over his head, since his life was in immediate danger.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Dooku's perfectly capable of defending himself, and on more than one occasion I could see him winning.

Originally posted by Galan007
How would Dooku defend himself? Honest question. I don't see him being able to, in some way, block Vader's TK... Unless there's a showing I'm forgetting about. mmm

In regards to blocking TK, if you watch the fight scene between Obi-Wan vs Anakin from ROTS when they cancel out each other's force push, it would be like that.

Originally posted by Master_Galen
In regards to blocking TK, if you watch the fight scene between Obi-Wan vs Anakin from ROTS when they cancel out each other's force push, it would be like that.

...Unless Dooku is also capable of utilizing his TK across galactic distances, in a very precise manner.

Originally posted by Galan007
Only if you assume that Vader and Dooku are equals in the TK department -- which imo, they certainly are not.

...Unless Dooku is also capable of utilizing his TK across galactic distances, in a very precise manner.

Are you saying that Obi-Wan was Anakin's equal in force push? I think not, the only reason that they were in that fight was because Anakins's abilities were hindered by his emotions.

^ Like you just said: in that fight, Obi-Wan and Anakin's force pushes were equal -- that's why they canceled each other out.

The same wouldn't have happened if one of them would have been definitively above the other.

Originally posted by Galan007

The same wouldn't have happened if one of them would have been definitively above the other.

Like i said, Anakin's emotions hindered his abilities, he was in a rage while Obi-Wan like always was focused so his abilties would be at his best.

Originally posted by Master_Galen
Like i said, Anakin's emotions hindered his abilities, he was in a rage while Obi-Wan like always was focused so his abilties would be at his best.

Originally posted by Galan007
...Which doesn't change anything I said. none

I honestly have no idea what MG was trying to get at by saying "Anakin's emotions hindered his abilities, he was in a rage while Obi-Wan like always was focused so his abilities would be at his best." How that counters anything yous said is beyond me.

Still curious as to LL's response to my earlier post though.

Originally posted by Galan007
How would Dooku defend himself? Honest question. I don't see him being able to, in some way, block Vader's TK... Unless there's a showing I'm forgetting about. mmm

Dooku is not some weakling in over his head.

Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
Don't you think it's possible, even probable, that Sidious increased his Force Lightning output when Vader grabbed a hold of him? I mean, yeah he was only using enough output to torture Luke, but I would think he'd increase it after being grabbed by Vader and lifted over his head, since his life was in immediate danger.

He lost a whole arm on Mimban.

His helmet which he could only take off in his pressurized chamber was removed by Marek. Gets hit by Force Lightning. His suit and armor were torn enough to show skin and blood, he had the shit kicked out of him with Force-flicked missiles. And then gets blown away in Marek's death-blast. But he's fine.

One hand and Palpatine's self-inflicting Lightning later and Vader's dead. Palpatine's disintegrated people with his lightning before, armor and all.

Force Unleashed sucks for stuff that.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Remember that scene you posted from TFU, where Vader grabs Marek's throat but Marek breaks it with a Force push? Soemthing like that.

Dooku is not some weakling in over his head.

Originally posted by Galan007
That trick worked for Galen, but most have agreed that Galen's force power is > Dooku's. Thus Galen's ability to use the force in such a manner isn't necessarily indicative of Dooku being able to use the force in a similar fashion.. /shrug

^ Or perhaps Vader was simply not exerting his full power in that scene (which is likely the case.) Hell, even when he was choking Xizor from halfway across the galaxy, he was still restraining himself.

Perhaps. Or perhaps not.

'Tis the question

dgrin

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Remember that scene you posted from TFU, where Vader grabs Marek's throat but Marek breaks it with a Force push? Soemthing like that.

Dooku is not some weakling in over his head.

Probably he did. The novelization doesn't make mention of it increasing. And it's during that passage that another discrepancy presents itself: After having a hand chopped off, Vader is "weaker than he'd ever been." One hand.

He lost a whole arm on Mimban.

His helmet which he could only take off in his pressurized chamber was removed by Marek. Gets hit by Force Lightning. His suit and armor were torn enough to show skin and blood, he had the shit kicked out of him with Force-flicked missiles. And then gets blown away in Marek's death-blast. But he's fine.

One hand and Palpatine's self-inflicting Lightning later and Vader's [b]dead. Palpatine's disintegrated people with his lightning before, armor and all.

Force Unleashed sucks for stuff that. [/B]

Good points Lucien, except for the TFU sucks comment of course. Curious to see how they implement the story in TFU2.

What it did to pre-existing canon structure sucks. Marek's a god, Vader's invincible, and the Emperor really didn't see the end coming. Ugh.

Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
I honestly have no idea what MG was trying to get at by saying "Anakin's emotions hindered his abilities, he was in a rage while Obi-Wan like always was focused so his abilities would be at his best." How that counters anything yous said is beyond me.

What i was trying to say was that Anakin's psyche was stopping him from performing to the best of his abilities while Obi-Wan was focused so could perform at his peak. Even then, a peak Obi-Wan still only drew in a force push battle with an Anakin that was weakened by his own mind forcing restrictions on himself.

Anakin wasn't "weakened" in the traditional sense. He certainly wasn't all Zoned up, but he wasn't weakened. He was drawing on the Dark Side. It's known fact that he just gets stronger the longer a fight lasts. His psyche was preventing him from thinking clearly or planning ahead, like Kenobi was doing.