Originally posted by roughrider
No; that's exactly what I mean.
Red Skull is a great villain, but it doesn't mean he's one of those characters I'll come to like in some way, like Joker or Kingpin. He's repulsive with that ideology, and his associates are the same.
I don't think Joker would be any more of a Monster than he already is if he started wearing a Swastika.
Originally posted by Starscream M
if he wore a swastika, he would be a racist then...which would make him worse.
Also Oskar Schindler wore a Nazi party pin for the entirety of Schindler's List.
Wearing a Swastika on its own isn't a 10+ evil stat buff.
Originally posted by Omega Visionoscar schindler faked to be a nazi so he could gain influence and hence save more jews...so analogy fail
I don't believe that murder becomes any more terrible when its dressed up in an ideology.Also Oskar Schindler wore a Nazi party pin for the entirety of Schindler's List.
Originally posted by Starscream M
oscar schindler faked to be a nazi so he could gain influence and hence save more jews...so analogy fail
His original plan was to use Jews as cheap/free labor for war profiteering.
Originally posted by Omega Visionbecause joker knows exactly what the nazis stand for as we commonly understand them to be today
So I still don't see why Joker wearing a Swastika would magically make him any more irredeemably evil than he already is.
basically extremely racist genocidal maniacs...that simply wasn't the case when schindler was in the party
Originally posted by Starscream M
because joker knows exactly what the nazis stand for as we commonly understand them to be todaybasically extremely racist genocidal maniacs...that simply wasn't the case when schindler was in the party
Anywhoozles I'll say it again: being a Nazi murderer isn't any worse than being an ordinary murderer. It's just cultural bias that makes it seem worse.
Originally posted by Omega Visionthere's no such thing as being an ordinary murderer...as that gives no indication of motive
I can't believe we Godwin's Law-ed this topic. facepalmAnywhoozles I'll say it again: being a Nazi murderer isn't any worse than being an ordinary murderer. It's just cultural bias that makes it seem worse.
being a nazi murderer tells you that the person is killing simply because he views others as inferior
now, there exist legitimate reasons for murdering and we simply can't group all murderers under one umbrella...however convenient it may be for your purposes 🙄
Originally posted by Starscream M
there's no such thing as being an ordinary murderer...as that gives no indication of motivebeing a nazi murderer tells you that the person is killing simply because he views others as inferior
now, there exist legitimate reasons for murdering and we simply can't group all murderers under one umbrella...however convenient it may be for your purposes 🙄
I'm arguing that the moral wrongness of an evil act does not change on a person by person basis. Joker is still a monster whether or not he's a Nazi.
Originally posted by Omega VisionI'm arguing that a man who was sexually abused as a kid and then commits rape is on a slightly higher moral hill than a man who grew up in a great family and then commits rape
So you're arguing that a man who bites the heads off of puppies for fun would be less monstrous than a man who also bites the heads off of puppies for fun but is a registered member of the American Nazi party?I'm arguing that the moral wrongness of an evil act does not change on a person by person basis. Joker is still a monster whether or not he's a Nazi.
the former has some extenuating circumstances to explain his behavior
hence, joker being simply a madman psychopath is understandable to a degree...yet him being racist strike a chord of cognitive dissonance with his background
Originally posted by Starscream M
I'm arguing that a man who was sexually abused as a kid and then commits rape is on a slightly higher moral hill than a man who grew up in a great family and then commits rapethe former has some extenuating circumstances to explain his behavior
hence, joker being simply a madman psychopath is understandable to a degree...yet him being racist strike a chord of cognitive dissonance with his background
Sorry Deadline.
Originally posted by Starscream M
glad I finally rendered you speechless...logic prevails over all.
Declaring one criminal worse than another based on an external socio-political connection in one case is about as illogical as you can get.
Sentimentalism makes Nazis more evil in the eyes of some people than other equally repugnant criminals.
Originally posted by Deadline
Hes not evil hes crazy. What are you doing to my thread? 🙁
Anyway I'm done derailing this thread.
Originally posted by Omega VisionHis insanity doesn't morally absolve him of guilt for his crimes one bit.
Actually it does. Hes not doing it out of free will his insanity causes him to do it.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Nor does it magically make anything he does less disgusting than what Redskull does.Anyway I'm done derailing this thread.
Yea the Red Skull is evil he choose to be evil.
Cheers I was getting into the debate a bit though.
Originally posted by Deadline
Actually it does. Hes not doing it out of free will his insanity causes him to do it.Yea the Red Skull is evil he choose to be evil.
Cheers I was getting into the debate a bit though.
Fun fact: insanity is not a medical term, its a legal definition usually cooked up by defense lawyers of which Joker has many.