Originally posted by Q99
Thor doesn't have a mental weapon that can force surrender. If he did, he'd win.
How many times does Wonder Woman actually resort to using the lasso in this way if it isn't a friend that's being mind controlled etc.? From what I've seen, it doesn't happen that often. At least not as often as some people make it out to be.
Originally posted by Q99
Note on what happened with Zoom (who can't vibrate anyway) is he was held securely until Cheetah scratched Diana's arm making her loosen her grip from the lasso and let it slacken, thus the enchantment didn't fully apply and he could just speed out (the enchantment only applies when the lasso is firmly around someone. Loosely encircling or the like won't do).The lasso's held immaterial 6 dimensional energy things before.
Zoom was shown to vibrate in his fight with Bart as I recall. I was thinking off the time Zoom fought the JLA and not the Flash/Wonder Woman crossover.
Are you referring to the scene in JLA when Flash uses the lasso in combination with vibrations to hold the wishing machine?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
How many times does Wonder Woman actually resort to using the lasso in this way if it isn't a friend that's being mind controlled etc.? From what I've seen, it doesn't happen that often. At least not as often as some people make it out to be.
It's not all that rare, she did use it to capture Zoom in the crossover with Flash after all. It's also something she'll use against Circe a lot (since it prevents spellcasting), and Cheetah's been tied up a time or two as well, of course.
It's sort of, not her most common finisher, but if it's clear that it's needed she'll do it.
Zoom was shown to vibrate in his fight with Bart as I recall.
In one of his early appearances when he had Bart by the neck, Jay threw his hat at Bart because he knew Bart could vibrate and let it go through and Zoom couldn't, thus slamming Zolomon in the face.
If someone draws him vibrating through an object, that's a new thing and/or the writer getting it wrong. The time power, while faster, doesn't give all the powers of the speed force.
Are you referring to the scene in JLA when Flash uses the lasso in combination with vibrations to hold the wishing machine?
Yea. It's not the only time it's been used to hold insubstantial foes I think, but it's a solid example of such.
Originally posted by Q99
It's not all that rare, she did use it to capture Zoom in the crossover with Flash after all. It's also something she'll use against Circe a lot (since it prevents spellcasting), and Cheetah's been tied up a time or two as well, of course.It's sort of, not her most common finisher, but if it's clear that it's needed she'll do it.
Oh, I'm not doubting she'll use it or has, but from what I've read, she doesn't use it nearly as much as some posters like to pretend she does. I think it's a a lot more common that she'll engage an opponent physically instead of resorting to the lasso, and ending the fight there and then.
Originally posted by Q99
In one of his early appearances when he had Bart by the neck, Jay threw his hat at Bart because he knew Bart could vibrate and let it go through and Zoom couldn't, thus slamming Zolomon in the face.If someone draws him vibrating through an object, that's a new thing and/or the writer getting it wrong. The time power, while faster, doesn't give all the powers of the speed force.
I'm well aware what Zoom was written like, but I'm pretty sure he and Bart were shown vibrating through a wall. If he can lend his powers, it's no shock that he could learn to vibrate as well.
Originally posted by Q99
Yea. It's not the only time it's been used to hold insubstantial foes I think, but it's a solid example of such.
I don't think it is personally. Wally used random-step frequencies to counter anything the I.D. tried as it re-polarized matter by vibrating subatomic particles. He used the lasso because it was indestructible and immutable as I recall, and not because it could contain the I.D. which was insubstantial. That part was the vibrations I believe. Later on, Wally was able to keep the I.D. in check with vibrations by himself without the lasso.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Oh, I'm not doubting she'll use it or has, but from what I've read, she doesn't use it nearly as much as some posters like to pretend she does. I think it's a a lot more common that she'll engage an opponent physically instead of resorting to the lasso, and ending the fight there and then.
She'll start out physical, but it's common to include the lasso in her attack, and Diana's a very good warrior. If physical isn't working she'll definitely switch over.
I'm well aware what Zoom was written like, but I'm pretty sure he and Bart were shown vibrating through a wall. If he can lend his powers, it's no shock that he could learn to vibrate as well.
He can't lend powers either.
I think the closest he's done to that was help Cheetah get faster, and he did so by teaching her how to overcome mental blocks and that sort of thing, do symbolic stuff that help her draw more speed from her power source.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Assuming the lasso would work you mean. I mean it's effects have been resisted before so I don't really see it holding AM if he absorbs it's properties.
If he absorbs it's properties in the truth sense that'd probably KO him right there, the shock to his mind is likely going to take him out. If he absorbs it's physical properties it won't help him escape.
odd that the whole being worthy and whatnot didnt stop creel from absorbing the qualities of the uru hammer? 😮💨
u thinking worth would be in the same boat as truth plus it sure as hell didnt do squat to the numbnut that screwed with supes maxwell..
anyways wouldnt creel drop to the floor if he absorbed the hammer and go inert due to the enchantment?
Originally posted by Q99
She'll start out physical, but it's common to include the lasso in her attack, and Diana's a very good warrior. If physical isn't working she'll definitely switch over.
I still don't think she resorts to the lasso happens as often as some people pretend she does. It's probably equivalent to Thor using Mjolnir's more exotic abilites. At least it would have been as early back as a few years.
Originally posted by Q99
He can't lend powers either.I think the closest he's done to that was help Cheetah get faster, and he did so by teaching her how to overcome mental blocks and that sort of thing, do symbolic stuff that help her draw more speed from her power source.
He was able to let Inertia tap into him and his power.
And in regards to Zoom getting out of the lasso, this was the scene I was thinking off:
http://img412.imageshack.us/f/zoom4yg0.jpg/
http://img201.imageshack.us/i/zoom3ve2.jpg/
I'm pretty sure White Martian's turned intangible and broke out of her lasso during Waid's run. I think Diana has been able to hold John in the past once however. Not too sure.
