Dc Cosmology

Originally posted by Galan007
I understand what you are saying. After all, conquering Keystone earth in order to gain control over the multiverse was pretty much the main reason AM and his hoard invaded earth during SCW. However, what separates FC Darkseid from the above is the fact that there were a few instances during FC in which we can actually see the entire multiverse engulfed by his black hole:
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/fc_singularity1.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/fc_singularity2.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/fc_singularity3.jpg

Tack on the fact that there are also numerous statements pertaining to "Darksied's shadow being cast over the entire multiverse", and "Darkseid dragging the multiverse down with him", etc.

Imo, he deserves the multiversal ranking I gave him.

I'm not sure ... I believe either of these scenarios are plausible, but I'm not sure which is definite.

1.) As you have stated, Darksied had a singularity so power full, it created a gravity well that sucked the entire multiverse into it.

2.) The singularity pulled Earth Prime into it, which being the Falcrum of the multiverse lead to the breakdown of the other universes as seen in the scans.

I believe the quotes you refer to, could be used validly in either aforementioned scenario .

I feel proud to know 90% of galen's list

But the other 10% flew over my head and gave me the finger

Originally posted by Galan007
Darkseid was technically killed during the War in Heaven (that's what initiated his fall.) But unlike any other God, Darkseid was able to somehow will himself to land in the material world before his fall was 'complete'. Darkseid's mere existence in the material world created a singularity at the base of creation, which was dragging the entire multiverse down with him. In a nutshell: Darkseid knew that he could not prevent his fall, but if he was going down, all existence was going down with him.

I love Morissons Platonic notion of the New Gods, that combines Idealism with String Theory. Platos' land of the Forms, where Ideas give rise to the material universe, is actually a Dimension vibrating in a higher plane of Space time. The New Gods, are the incarnations of ideas, and their material forms are actually shadowy representations of their true forms. In the Ideal realm Darksied was the manifestation of Evil, so in the physical realm, what better a representation of evil than a Black Hole ?, i.e. the total absence of light, where the rules of Space and Time, integral to life breakdown, and where impending doom is inevitable.

Originally posted by Galan007
And just so we're all on the same page, the Anti-Life Equation had nothing to do with the above -- that was all Darkseid. All the ALE allowed Darkseid to do was control any sentient being(s) who heard/saw the Equation. That's why I ranked FC Darkseid as a multiversal power, but only ranked the ALE as a universal power.

Yeah it seemed to act as a deterrent, rather than a "master plan". But I don't consider it to be anything less than Multiversal. Don't forget it over came the Spectre, and the only one with resistance to it was the Monitor kid.

Mind you, something that is bothering me. It seems as though the Monitors and the New Gods are heralding from the same metaphysical realm, I.e. the domain from which the essence of the material heralds, the Ideal realm. But they aren't from the same place ? Are there two metaphysical Ideal realms for the D.C. universe; i.e. one for the New Gods the other for the Monitors ?

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt

Mind you, something that is bothering me. It seems as though the Monitors and the New Gods are heralding from the same metaphysical realm, I.e. the domain from which the essence of the material heralds, the Ideal realm. But they aren't from the same place ? Are there two metaphysical Ideal realms for the D.C. universe; i.e. one for the New Gods the other for the Monitors ?

It's best not to think about it too much. 🤪

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Morrison's Cosmology is screwier than most but the way I see it the New Gods, Monitors, and Angels of Pax Dei are like the Heralds of the three representations of God: The Source, the Primal Monitor, and the Presence.

It's best not to think about it too much. 🤪

👆 True, The Source/The Presence and The overvoid is all the same being. FC Darkseid nearly took it all and stopped his descent from death until the Flashes brought Black Racer to him. Here Grant is asked about FC and confirms what the void is.

http://comics.ign.com/articles/950/950703p3.html

The Endless are manifestations of the consciousness (The Source) so I would place them very high on the rankings.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Morrison's Cosmology is screwier than most but the way I see it the New Gods, Monitors, and Angels of Pax Dei are like the Heralds of the three representations of God: The Source, the Primal Monitor, and the Presence.

It's best not to think about it too much. 🤪

I could handle that, but then where do the Other Gods fit into the equation ?

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
1.) As you have stated, Darksied had a singularity so power full, it created a gravity well that sucked the entire multiverse into it.

The fact that we physically saw Darkseid's black hole engulfing the multiverse is why I believe that his own powers were responsible. The whole "if you conqueror Keystone earth, you conqueror the multiverse" concept didn't seem to apply to that particular instance... Plus it was never referenced during the arc itself.

Regardless, feel free to disagree with any aspect of my list. It's not like I'm an official DC authority... My list is as fallible as anyone else. But just so you know, in this particular case I'll never agree with you. Imo, FC Darkseid's multiversal feat wasn't accomplished in a domino effect -- it was all him.

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
Yeah it seemed to act as a deterrent, rather than a "master plan". But I don't consider it to be anything less than Multiversal. Don't forget it over came the Spectre, and the only one with resistance to it was the Monitor kid.

Everyone knows that Ambush Bug is DC's true Supreme Being

Tier 0 = DC/Vertigo "Company Staff "
Tier 1= Primal Monitor/Source/Overvoid

All The Rest

1) Superman

The rest.