Zatanna Vs Thor

Originally posted by Prep-Man
She has resisted her soul taken from her, and has defenses to stop powerful attacks, so, yes, she can.

Also, Zor the Time Tailor has reality warping powers, who can also manipulate time, yet she defeated him.

Z gets no respect, but, IMO, her most powerful spells can take down Thor. He's not unbeatable.,

Mjolnir was designed by a Skyfather, and is one of the most powerful weapons that exist in marvel. It's been shown to affect heralds, other gods, skyfathers, demons, and celestial beings. Show me Zatanna resisting attacks from something on it's level and you might have a point. Loki is an immortal god with magic that's even more powerful than Classic Dr. Strange, and even he couldn't stop Thor from flat out absorbing his life force with the hammer. Zatanna is screwed.

Her "most powerful spells" can get absorbed and manipulated by mjolnir and shot back at her 100x. There's really no way around that. And you still haven't addressed the problem of Thor simply blocking magical forces from the battlefield.

I never said Thor was unbeatable, it just takes more than a strong offense to take him out. I haven't seen any kind of defensive showings from Zatanna that show she can take the kind of punishment that Thor can dish out for any length of time.

She has no superhuman durability and no superhuman speed. That's practically a death sentence against someone like Thor.

Amen! 🙂

So they both win...Sif loses... ;p

Originally posted by Space M ummy
Mjolnir was designed by a Skyfather, and is one of the most powerful weapons that exist in marvel. It's been shown to affect heralds, other gods, skyfathers, demons, and celestial beings. Show me Zatanna resisting attacks from something on it's level and you might have a point.

Her "most powerful spells" can get absorbed and manipulated by mjolnir and shot back at her 100x. There's really no way around that. And you still haven't addressed the problem of Thor simply blocking magical forces from the battlefield.

I never said Thor was unbeatable, it just takes more than a strong offense to take him out. I haven't seen any kind of defensive showings from Zatanna that show she can take the kind of punishment that Thor can dish out for any length of time.

She has no superhuman durability and no superhuman speed. That's practically a death sentence against someone like Thor.

Actually, she can also reverse attacks on Thor. She pulled this off many times.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Actually, she can also reverse attacks on Thor. She pulled this off many times.

she can reverse attacks 100 times stronger than what she can dish out? really? I'd love to see this. particularly if she's burning alive in muspelheim, or choking to death on the moon at the time.

Also, a good explanation as to why the life force drain that will kill Loki (an immortal god with massive magical abilities) would for some reason not work on Zatanna would be helpful.

I don't have the scans, but she recently did it to Brother Night, who gets his powers from the masters of Hell.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I don't have the scans, but she recently did it to Brother Night, who gets his powers from the masters of Hell.

Somehow I doubt Brother Night truly is 100 times stronger than her most powerful attack. but on the off chance he is, what then? Thor absorbs and rechannels it again, magnifying it 100x further.

Mjolnir has absorbed and rechanneled the energy to annihilate a galaxy with ease. Thor can keep this up all day. Somehow I doubt Zatanna has that kind of ability.

You still haven't addressed how Zatanna gets around Thor blocking off her powers with a magical barrier either.

By taking down barriers? Come on, this is a top tier mage. She's done that as well. Hell, nobody can really enter Z's house, because she makes unbreakable barriers herself.

Personally, I think Zatanna has a real chance, but I'm deathly afraid of Thor enthusiasts, and don't wish to have an encounter with any.

Thor FTW.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
By taking down barriers? Come on, this is a top tier mage. She's done that as well. Hell, nobody can really enter Z's house, because she makes unbreakable barriers herself.

top tier mage? 😆 Cyttorak is an ELDER GOD. Thor completely cut off his enchantment to his avatar on earth (The juggernaut) and would have killed him if not for the 60 second time limit back in the day.

The barrier made it so no outside magical forces could pass the barrier. as a mage, all Zatanna does is call on outside magical forces to empower herself. Thor uses this, and she's done.

And as for "not being able to enter her house" that trick is blatantly ripped from Strange who was doing that bit decades ago. The same strange who's magical powers are inferior to Loki, the trickster god, who thor has owned and killed on numerous occasions.

"top tier mage" is nothing next to the powers of elder gods and skyfathers. you know it, I know it, game over.

Agree to disagree. I'm not going to change your opinion and you won't change mine.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Agree to disagree. I'm not going to change your opinion and you won't change mine.

why did you make the thread if you were already of the (unshakable) opinion that Zatanna would beat Thor?

There are more posters than you, my friend. I just don't agree with your reasoning. BOTH characters here have their high and low points. Elder God? So what? Z's gone up against Imps and cosmic foes alike. Doesn't really matter.

i always figured zantana's power was will based as in depending who she is using it on may or may not be heavily effected.

i'm thinking of lobo mostly also what is thor's magic resistance on himself with him being a god and his brother being loki and all?
unless she has one of these:
thor

i cant even bother to acknowledge her.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
Thor's crazy durability makes him too much for zatanna to deal with, imho.

IIRC he fought Zeus for a month straight, and Mjolnir is extremely versatile- able to cut off even the Juggernaut from [b]his nearly infinite magical power source.

Zatanna has strong offense but not quite the defense or stamina to outlast Thor. One or two of his more devastating attacks (hammer strike @ lightspeed, god force blast, magical lightning, etc) would put her down pretty quickly. [/B]

She doesn't need stamina. As long as she doesn't get insta KO-d by a hammer toss then she should win every time. I won't begin to really debate if she can survive it because he won't use it every time anyway.

Zatanna has a few key spells she likes to use in confrontation.

1. Tegrof, or forget, is her go to spell for mind rape.

2. Then there is her barrier spell that is conjured in what seems like a different spell every time.

3. Pots. Pots has put Superman, Lobo, and an assortment of other people on or above Thor's physical level in their place. It completely immobilizes them until she decides to reverse the spell.

Honestly, he's not getting around number three.

You all who think Zatanna can realistically beat "Classic Thor;" Classic Thor stood up to the MAGICAL power of Zeus for a month straight...if he was able to do that, what in the heck can this sexy chick do to him other than carry his children in her womb!?

In addition, I gotta believe that...without PIS/CIS...he's going to land an attack at some point; since she resists damage no better than a normal human, any attack that lands...even partially...kills her. Period. The end.

With PIS/CIS on she can win as Thor will do everything in his power to subdue her without harming her while she'll be going all out to get the win...so yeah in a PIS/CIS senario, she has a chance of beating him (but if he simply blocks out magical power with mjolnir...which he can definitely do...she has nothing), but turn that crap off...and she's going to die.

Besides, unlike Supes and Lobo...Thor is naturally magic resistant...so this is a bad matchup for her from the very start.

Zatanna has weakened and affected Spectre, who's magic resistant as well. Yet, she also been called one of the best mages in any dimension.

Oh sure...I am certain she can affect Thor with her spells...the question is can she put him down with them...and keep in mind this is Classic Thor we are talking about.

I really dont see how she can do this:

1) He resists magic so her attacks/spells will never land with full force...
2) He has high TP resistance combined with a strong will; so this combined with his resist to magic will keep him from going down this way IMHO...
3) He has great damage soak; again, combined with his magic resist and he is withstanding tremendous direct damage from her before going down...
4) He can negate magic...
5) He can absorb (via Mjolnir) and redirect magic used against him and magnify its original intensity several orders of maginitude greater than it was originally; and she only has normal human durability, so this is overkill many times over if he uses this against her...

I just cant see her putting Classic Thor down without PIS/CIS...especially it he wants to win.

I don't see why not. She's put down an evolved Sun-Eater, even though she had to summon all she had.

She has enough raw power to put him down for sure

So she has more raw power than Zeus?