What If...

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
it cut off a celestials arm. even if it did grow back it still has done what nothing short of the ig has ever done

honestly, The Destroyer is a nice toy but it achieved the zenith of its career as a substitute herald for Galactus, it's done bugger all against cosmic powers, nothing to justify the hype, faith and cult of The Destroyer Armour.

there's plenty of crap built to combat The Celestials, that doesn't stand up to much when actually tested.

Originally posted by Cubey
The Destroyer in the original fight was powered by all the Skyfathers:

http://a.imageshack.us/img507/3113/thor30017bh8.jpg

I suppose adding in their respective pantheons would help them to better but can't really see anything changing.

Just to be clear, the Destroyer itself contains a fraction of each Skyfathers power...

However, the Destroyer is powered by spiritual energy...

Thus it was able to grow in size and power when Odin+all of Asgard (minus Thor) entered it spiritually...

As a result, as pertains this thread, the Destroyer would be VASTLY more powerful than in Thor 300 if it contained the spiritual energy of the all 19 Skyfathers+their entire pantheons...

Originally posted by janus77
nah, I doubt the pantheon put in to The Destroyer could achieve anything really. The Celestials weren't interested in fighting, their 'bodies' are hardly of any import whatsoever, they can reform without any effort, nothing much The Destroyer could do really.

You know, even though that is plainly stated in Thor 300, I am willing to bet that if the Destroyer was facing that Celestial one on one and had kept hacking away it would have won... 😛

Seriously though, the Destroyer as it would be in this "What If," would be atleast an order of magnitude more powerful than the version of the Destroyer that fought the Celestials in Thor 300...

Is it inconcievable to you that the Destroyer, at such a high level of power, would be capable of harming the Celestials on more than just a physical level?

Celestials have limits afterall...they are not invincible of all-mighty...

I personally think the Destroyer was around a Celestial in power in 300. If there was a gap I don't think it was too large. The biggest problem with Celestials, is that short of destroying their entire body, you aren't doing anything to them actually with physical damage (At least in that story) It's not impossible to affect them with physical force. Thor gave Exitar pause with the power of the God Blast for example. But it was short lived and he attacked his brain dome. I just think Odin approached the battle incorrectly. I think Odin jobbed in that regard to make the Celestials look uber.

Anyways, the power of the Destroyer, would have grown with this much extra energy. Astronomically.

The Celestial's were intended to be the next step in the cosmic food chain at that period. Beyond beings such as Watchers, Odin Galactus etc. so I'm not too sure how this would turn out if it faces the entire Fourth Host. I however don't think it was beyond the Destroyer's capabilities to defeat a Celestial in it's original form. At least temporarily.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I personally think the Destroyer was around a Celestial in power in 300. If there was a gap I don't think it was too large. The biggest problem with Celestials, is that short of destroying their entire body, you aren't doing anything to them actually with physical damage (At least in that story) It's not impossible to affect them with physical force. Thor gave Exitar pause with the power of the God Blast for example. But it was short lived and he attacked his brain dome. I just think Odin approached the battle incorrectly. I think Odin jobbed in that regard to make the Celestials look uber.

Anyways, the power of the Destroyer, would have grown with this much extra energy. Astronomically.

The Celestial's were intended to be the next step in the cosmic food chain at that period. Beyond beings such as Watchers, Odin Galactus etc. so I'm not too sure how this would turn out if it faces the entire Fourth Host. I however don't think it was beyond the Destroyer's capabilities to defeat a Celestial in it's original form. At least temporarily.

100% agreed...

You know, when you start regarding beings on the comic level (assumming no jobbing is involved) a pure physical approach is very rarely the answer as virtually all beings on the cosmic level are beyond physical (or rather possess more than just a physical element; just about all of them possess an energy element too)...

But, thats when you know jobbing is in (or sometimes its simply very uncreative writters doing their dirt) full effect...

Case in point; when Galactus fought Agamotto, why in the hell did he believe (especially how sharp his cosmic awareness/perceptions are supposed to be) that he was facing a mere catapillar!? That was bulls**t stacked with pure bulls**t...he cosmic senses should have automatically alerted him to exactly what was infront of him and he should have reacted accordingly...

Same applies in this case; after absorbing so much power, I am certain that Odins senses would have grown considerably...and even assumming that the massive power increase wasnt enough to alert him to the fact that a pure physical approach wouldnt work, after the Destroyers initial attack failed, he should have completely abandoned physical attacks and started to fight on another level...

Surely with the Destroyer being as powerful as it was at the time of the battle, it could have brought the fight to the Celestials in any number of ways...but it didnt...it kept trying physical attacks...it other words, it started to job....just like Galactus did against Agamotto.

But, of course, its a writters job to make a story interesting...logic and consistency rate near the bottom on the totem pole compared to this...afterall, if the Invisible Woman could disrupt Exitar's physical form, then I absolutely believe the Destroyer could have done the same thing 1,000,000 times worse to all of them...

But in the case of Exitar, it was his turn to job...in Thor 300, it was the Destroyers turn to job to show off how bada** the Celestials were supposed to be...

I see Zeus and Odin as being a level above the rest and they are as inferior to a Celestial as IronFist is to Stardust.

just not got the power, the scope, the depth to take on this challenge.

Galactus - Aggamotto is a good example of jobbing on Galactus' part but, we need to acknowledge at some point that characters are subordinate to stories. Galactus, as fully realised through his whole history, would be an almost impossible to defeat foe. each time he shows up, the story would end inside of his 'belly'. you'd need the LT to reset things.

same with a few other high-end cosmics, therefore, you have to plot-device them and give them strange motivations/abberations in order to save the story.

as u said about the destroyer not doing anything to the celestials

galactus did nothing to agamotto, agamotto isnt a true physical being and he doesnt feel pain.
so galactus did nothing and was useless in his fight with agamotto 🙂

Originally posted by janus77
I see Zeus and Odin as being a level above the rest and they are as inferior to a Celestial as IronFist is to Stardust.

just not got the power, the scope, the depth to take on this challenge.

bump

Who needs the Destroyer (which held a fraction of the power of each of Earths' Skyfathers and was made of nigh indestructible metal) when you have a "simple" enchantment that can end Celestials with one hit? 💃

Originally posted by zopzop
Who needs the Destroyer (which held a fraction of the power of each of Earths' Skyfathers and was made of nigh indestructible metal) when you have a "simple" enchantment that can end Celestials with one hit? 💃

vin

Originally posted by abhilegend
Exitar would like to have a word with you.

vin