Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
colossus can lift 750tons plus. hes been clockedclass 100 =/= lift 100 tons
Why don't you ever listen to me??? 🙁 Colossus doesn't weigh 500lbs, he weighs over a ton, maybe nearly 2. So it's not 750 tons, it's into the thousands range.
Putting a cap on it, however vague it is, is still stupid though.
Isn't the official weight 500lbs? I personally think it's more likely that the writer was taking into account that figure -if he was taking into account anything- instead of a reference or two that most people don't even remember. Unless it was the same guy.
Thor wins by the way. The Pym Particles would make it last longer if Colossus shrinks etc. at the right moments but he still has to engage Thor in straight combat.
Whether Peter grows smaller or bigger, he'd still create some sort of disadvantage for himself. It'd help, but the Particles are a double edged sort here. Peter doesn't have the mobility or flight of Ant Man to outmanuever Thor if his shrunk and growing bigger just gives Thor a better target.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
colossus can lift 750tons plus. hes been clockedclass 100 =/= lift 100 tons
Plus amnesia didn't do the math correctly.
if Hank can lift 200lb over his head then 1 ton (or 2000lb) is 10x more.
50 tons would be 50x10 or 500x more. I don't think Hank can lift 200lb but rather 100lb, he's seems normal strength. So Hank really gains 1000x strength. I don't think Thor is 1000x stronger than Colossus. I could be wrong.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Isn't the official weight 500lbs? I personally think it's more likely that the writer was taking into account that figure -if he was taking into account anything- instead of a reference or two that most people don't even remember. Unless it was the same guy.Thor wins by the way. The Pym Particles would make it last longer if Colossus shrinks etc. at the right moments but he still has to engage Thor in straight combat.
Whether Peter grows smaller or bigger, he'd still create some sort of disadvantage for himself. It'd help, but the Particles are a double edged sort here. Peter doesn't have the mobility or flight of Ant Man to outmanuever Thor if his shrunk and growing bigger just gives Thor a better target.
The other problem Thor would have is hurting Colossus. If Hank's durability is increased in the same proportion to his strength then Thor would have a serious problem hurting Colossus without PIS.
It would take Thor many blows just to put a normal Colossus down. Just imagine someone who is 1000x more durable.
Originally posted by h1a8
The other problem Thor would have is hurting Colossus. If Hank's durability is increased in the same proportion to his strength then Thor would have a serious problem hurting Colossus without PIS.It would take Thor many blows just to put a normal Colossus down. Just imagine someone who is 1000x more durable.
I never payed attention to Hank Pym -who does- but from what I understand, his body tissue becomes harder etc. to support the extra weight. I'm not completely sure how Colossus would be affected. His metallic tissue can already support extreme weight etc. Erik was superhuman when at normal height but I don't recall noticing an upgrade that significant when he grew. I think it's only fair to assume he'd gain some durability upgrade, but I doubt it would be to the point that Thor can't hurt him.
And "lol" at PIS.
Originally posted by h1a8
Plus amnesia didn't do the math correctly.
if Hank can lift 200lb over his head then 1 ton (or 2000lb) is 10x more.
50 tons would be 50x10 or 500x more. I don't think Hank can lift 200lb but rather 100lb, he's seems normal strength. So Hank really gains 1000x strength. I don't think Thor is 1000x stronger than Colossus. I could be wrong.
Well Thor did lift/support yggdrasill. Which is like planetary size.
If Colossus can get in Thor's ear...he dies, lol.
And yeah the official weight is 500lbs, but it makes no sense. A guy whose almost 300lbs in human form, only gains 200lbs when he turns into solid metal, with liquid metal blood and metal interior organs as well??
If we go by official weight, Hulk andJuggernaut outweigh Colossus, and Thing weighs the same, which makes no sense.
He's solid metal, so when they said stuff like, he was so heavy he was affecting the flight path of the blackbird, or he was over a ton of solid metal and became the first russian bomb to be dropped on british soil...it makes much more sense.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I never payed attention to Hank Pym -who does- but from what I understand, his body tissue becomes harder etc. to support the extra weight. I'm not completely sure how Colossus would be affected. His metallic tissue can already support extreme weight etc. Erik was superhuman when at normal height but I don't recall noticing an upgrade that significant when he grew. I think it's only fair to assume he'd gain some durability upgrade, but I doubt it would be to the point that Thor can't hurt him.And "lol" at PIS.
I only said PIS IF Colossus is 1000x more durable. Remember my argument was conditional as I don't know if Colossus would gain 1000x more durability. I don't think Thor is hurting a Colossus that is 1000x more durable with his bare hands though without the use of PIS.
With Mjolnir is a different story though.
Originally posted by h1a8
I only said PIS [b]IF Colossus is 1000x more durable. Remember my argument was conditional as I don't know if Colossus would gain 1000x more durability. I don't think Thor is hurting a Colossus that is 1000x more durable with his bare hands though without the use of PIS.With Mjolnir is a different story though. [/B]
because of the twist, all we can do is hypothesize.
Originally posted by amnesiaMy argument was for those who use matchups instead of feats to see who is stronger. I'm all for you here as I believe in feats more than matchups since jobbing and other things play a role when characters face up.
Well Thor did lift/support yggdrasill. Which is like planetary size.
Some members here believe that Namor is 90% of Thor's strength since how they match up when they face each other. I disagree. I feel Thor is far stronger than Namor.
For those who use matchups, then comics will not portray Thor without Mjolnir to be much stronger than Colossus. They will have Colossus give him a decent fight. Just imagine Thor fighting a 50ft Colossus with 1000x more strength and durability. Do you guys think that Marvel will have Thor win that fight without Mjolnir? Hell no!
I base my decisions more on feats. I believe Thor can win this since I don't believe Colossus's durability will increase to the same level as his strength will. If it does then Thor can't win PERIOD.
Originally posted by h1a8thor pulled hydro base to the mainland, pretty sure this colossus still would struggle with that
The other problem Thor would have is hurting Colossus. If Hank's durability is increased in the same proportion to his strength then Thor would have a serious problem hurting Colossus without PIS.It would take Thor many blows just to put a normal Colossus down. Just imagine someone who is 1000x more durable.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
thor pulled hydro base to the mainland, pretty sure this colossus still would struggle with that
No doubt Thor still may be stronger. The problem is IF colossus durability increases at the same rate then Thor would not be able to hurt him. So Thor being stronger will still lose this.