Imperiex Probe vs Apoc

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Oh my God. You're serious. You actually think Wolvie and Colossus > that team. 😐

I am saying that you guys are overlooking PIS and CIS as an explanation to why that team lost to the probes.

Originally posted by Starscream M
wow impressive there

kyle prob performed poorly due to PIS

flash is a jobber

j'onn is a pussy

plastic man is a clown

aquaman can't do shit

and hawkgirl...lol

Fantastic, your definetly digging your self into a bigger hole.

So I guess you actually do think Wolverine & Colossus can take the JLA team.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Fantastic, your definetly digging your self into a bigger hole.

So I guess you actually do think Wolverine & Colossus can take the JLA team.

Originally posted by Starscream M

I am saying that you guys are overlooking PIS and CIS as an explanation to why that team lost to the probes.

Originally posted by Starscream M
sigh. you missed my point.

No I got it, it's just faulty logic as the probes have steamrolled through various members of the JLA and that's not including the incident I mentioned already

So following your logic the whole story was PIS/CIS then?

Originally posted by -K-M-
No I got it, it's just faulty logic as the probes have steamrolled through various members of the JLA and that's not including the incident I mentioned already

So following your logic the whole story was PIS/CIS then?

Originally posted by -K-M-

So following your logic the whole story was PIS/CIS then?

the way superman and DD were going through the probes...it makes no sense that GL or Flash couldn't do the same.

Originally posted by Starscream M
ummm no....nice strawmanning though. just because I think certain encounters had PIS/CIS...the whole story must be too! 🙄

the way superman and DD were going through the probes...it makes no sense that GL or Flash couldn't do the same.

Even if that were true, that doesn't explain away them sonning Zod (twice), one-shotting Supergirl, beating Supes + Mongul, etc. OWAW was pretty sure to portray the Probes as being very powerful. (which is why it took DD and a non-holcing back Supes to finally beat them) It's disingenuous to play the PIS/CIS card given everything that they did.

Originally posted by Starscream M
you don't think flash and GL jobbed?

Considering what the probes did to various other JLA members? No.

Originally posted by Starscream M
ummm no....nice strawmanning though. just because I think certain encounters had PIS/CIS...the whole story must be too! 🙄

the way superman and DD were going through the probes...it makes no sense that GL or Flash couldn't do the same.

Ummm...did you actually read what the probes did to the other JLA members not including the mentioned incident?

Superman and DD > Flash, Green Lantern.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Is strawmanning the word of the day or something?

I was just about to comment on that.

Originally posted by Harbinger
Even if that were true, that doesn't explain away them sonning Zod (twice), one-shotting Supergirl, beating Supes + Mongul, etc. OWAW was pretty sure to portray the Probes as being very powerful. (which is why it took DD and a non-holcing back Supes to finally beat them) It's disingenuous to play the PIS/CIS card given everything that they did.

Apparently nobody understood the premise of OWAW and the issues leading up to it.

Originally posted by Starscream M
the way superman and DD were going through the probes...it makes no sense that GL or Flash couldn't do the same.

Did you read OWAW?

By showing, for some strange reason the probes were weaker during the time Supes and Doomsday fought them. It was NUMEROUS of times where Superman fought a probe out of anger and it was pretty obvious that he wasnt holding back but those probes, I guess Imperex didnt give them enough juice.

It's not just that batch that was weaker.

The Outsiders (Dr. Light, Geo-Force, etc.) defeated one with no casualties in antarctica. Hippolyta and Aquaman both killed ones (though both dying in the process), and WW off-screen killed another too (Diana and Hippolyta were attacked by two, Hippy killed one of 'em, and before that there was a brief scene of one of the Wonders, it was hard to tell due to armor, holding off both Probes at once).

Then for another stronger example, a Purple Probe matched Superman blow for blow for awhile after it had taken down the Titans (Starfire, Donna, etc.), and this was after the DD/Supes fight where he took a few in a row rapidly, he was still plenty angry and not wounded yet that one was able to give him more fight than it's brother probes.

Different amounts of juice seems right to me.

Originally posted by Q99
It's not just that batch that was weaker.

The Outsiders (Dr. Light, Geo-Force, etc.) defeated one with no casualties in antarctica. Hippolyta and Aquaman both killed ones (though both dying in the process), and WW off-screen killed another too (Diana and Hippolyta were attacked by two, Hippy killed one of 'em, and before that there was a brief scene of one of the Wonders, it was hard to tell due to armor, holding off both Probes at once).

Then for another stronger example, a Purple Probe matched Superman blow for blow for awhile after it had taken down the Titans (Starfire, Donna, etc.), and this was after the DD/Supes fight where he took a few in a row rapidly, he was still plenty angry and not wounded yet that one was able to give him more fight than it's brother probes.

Different amounts of juice seems right to me.

Lets not even bring up the fact that Hippolyta took out two probes by just throwing a ship to the head and taking it off. Then we have the scene where Supergirl and Black lightning stalemated one and then took it out with an explosion that wasnt even comparable to a nuke, hell, it didnt even do that much damage to the surrounding area and black lightning was still standing.

Then Wonder Woman took out one with a shield to the back of the head and the list goes on. I wasnt impressed at all by the probes. It was a selected few that was impressive and even then it wasnt at a rate that people here are putting them.

The JLA just fought the probes like dimwits... hell, if we go by all the people that have dropped the JLA and say that they could beat anyone then we would have walking skyfathers in DCU. Hell, Despero took out the JLA AND the JSA but got one shotted by Superman and almost got stalemated by the martian.

Lets not even bring up the fact that Hippolyta took out two probes by just throwing a ship to the head and taking it off.

One of 'em at least was using the lasso to behead it.

Then Wonder Woman took out one with a shield to the back of the head and the list goes on

That, btw, was the JLA-beater one.