Originally posted by -Pr-
Winnick's Green Arrow and Red Hood would be there too, imo.
I would say you are crazy because everything Winnick has ever touched has turned to crap... IMO 😎
His Green Arrow wasn't as bad as his Titans run, but it wasn't good by any stretch of the imagination and it certainly wasn't seminal.
To each his own though I guess.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I would say you are crazy because everything Winnick has ever touched has turned to crap... IMO 😎His Green Arrow wasn't as bad as his Titans run, but it wasn't good by any stretch of the imagination and it certainly wasn't seminal.
To each his own though I guess.
Did you read his run on Batman?
If not, i suggest you rethink your stance until you do.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I thought Under the Red Hood was mediocre (which I'm pretty sure was the general consensus), the animated film was much, [b]much better than the actual run. [/B]
I have to disagree. I think it's a great run, and i think Winnick gets far too much shit that he doesn't deserve.
He wrote the animated film too, iirc.
Originally posted by roughrider
I was going to say Superman hasn't had a great arc this decade - certainly not in comparison to all the Doomsday/Cyborg related stuff in the 90's - until I remembered For Tomorrow.
Where is Brian Azzarrello anyway?
Secret Origin, Our Worlds at War, Brainiac, Last Son, The Journey, Godfall?
Originally posted by -Pr-
I have to disagree. I think it's a great run, and i think Winnick gets far too much shit that he doesn't deserve.
The thing that makes Winnick more on the edge of acceptance it's that he writes Jason as a Antagonist more than an A-hole. This is why Winnick wins in the Batman character area over Morrison. Take Damian for instance....I have NEVER seen a character get shove down the reader's throats as Morrison does with Damian. He's not likeable (only to fanboys) and he is not antigonistic but more of a spoil annoying brat. But somehow DC wants the readers to accept him. I can't speak for other Batman fans...but I can't accept him. No matter how much the character gets the spotlight in every story....he's just digestable.
Winnick took quite a challenge by taking on Jason. He knew that fans weren't so acceptable...so instead of shoving him down our throats...he shove him straight to the Antagonist level. He belongs there....to conclude....Jason is exactly what antagonist Batman character should be...whereas Damian is the A-hole spoil brat that needs to just go away.
But...what do I know? Been a Batman fan for nearly 23 years and like it or not Morrison, DC, and the Fanboys decide how Batman should be like....yep.
Superman, anyone?
Originally posted by WanderingDroid
The thing that makes Winnick more on the edge of acceptance it's that he writes Jason as a Antagonist more than an A-hole. This is why Winnick wins in the Batman character area over Morrison. Take Damian for instance....I have NEVER seen a character get shove down the reader's throats as Morrison does with Damian. He's not likeable (only to fanboys) and he is not antigonistic but more of a spoil annoying brat. But somehow DC wants the readers to accept him. I can't speak for other Batman fans...but I can't accept him. No matter how much the character gets the spotlight in every story....he's just digestable.Winnick took quite a challenge by taking on Jason. He knew that fans weren't so acceptable...so instead of shoving him down our throats...he shove him straight to the Antagonist level. He belongs there....to conclude....Jason is exactly what antagonist Batman character should be...whereas Damian is the A-hole spoil brat that needs to just go away.
But...what do I know? Been a Batman fan for nearly 23 years and like it or not Morrison, DC, and the Fanboys decide how Batman should be like....yep.
Superman, anyone?
you couldn't resist mentioning morrison?
Originally posted by WanderingDroid
You know he eventually will pop out in this thread when someone brings out All Star Superman....it's going to happen. Might as well get my thoughts out of the way.Anywhoo....how you like Bizzaro Supergirl?
i don't really read Supergirl. it's not that i don't like it, it's just not on my pull list. i'd give it a read if i was bored...
besides, luthor with his lois sexbot is more interesting to me lol...
Winnick did honestly *great* stuff on EXiles (over at Marvel) and Green Lantern.
WanderingDroid
Take Damian for instance....I have NEVER seen a character get shove down the reader's throats as Morrison does with Damian. He's not likeable (only to fanboys)
IMO he works better over in Batgirl or Red Robin. When bouncing with Steph he can actually be fun.
Originally posted by WanderingDroid
The thing that makes Winnick more on the edge of acceptance it's that he writes Jason as a Antagonist more than an A-hole. This is why Winnick wins in the Batman character area over Morrison. Take Damian for instance....I have NEVER seen a character get shove down the reader's throats as Morrison does with Damian. He's not likeable (only to fanboys) and he is not antigonistic but more of a spoil annoying brat. But somehow DC wants the readers to accept him. I can't speak for other Batman fans...but I can't accept him. No matter how much the character gets the spotlight in every story....he's just digestable.Winnick took quite a challenge by taking on Jason. He knew that fans weren't so acceptable...so instead of shoving him down our throats...he shove him straight to the Antagonist level. He belongs there....to conclude....Jason is exactly what antagonist Batman character should be...whereas Damian is the A-hole spoil brat that needs to just go away.
But...what do I know? Been a Batman fan for nearly 23 years and like it or not Morrison, DC, and the Fanboys decide how Batman should be like....yep.
All the work done on Batman the past decade by good writers - Brian Azzarello, Paul Dini, Judd Winick, Ed Brubaker (and yes, Jeph Loeb) -
Grant Morrison is at the bottom of the list. I want street level crime fighting, not his kind of crazy. Arkham Asylum was two decades ago; that was his good Batman work.