Talisman Vs Arion

Originally posted by -K-M-
No the other beings did, and Talisman easily beat them.

Hmm? When did Dreamqueen, Llan or the Great Beasts cause universal level chaos that way? Dreamqueen had the ability to manipulate her one realm, like Nightmare, and Llan while impressive never did anything on any sort of grand scale that way, that I can recall. His main issue was trying to break down the wall to get his army, IIRC.

Naaaa...that was a weaker host Talisman (male), it was the Talisman "host" from 20,000 years ago that was above them all. She easily beat Llan in a straight up fight, and if you know Llan that's INSANE.

Originally posted by Desaad
Hmm? When did Dreamqueen, Llan or the Great Beasts cause universal level chaos that way? Dreamqueen had the ability to manipulate her one realm, like Nightmare, and Llan while impressive never did anything on any sort of grand scale that way, that I can recall. His main issue was trying to break down the wall to get his army, IIRC.

Dreamqueen constantly destroys her own universe and recreates in on a whim. She did it multiple times

Great Beasts killed everyone in their universe, and are on a planet that was said to be once like Earth.

Llan was said to be a devourer or universe, but we never saw him directly do it due to the Rules of Engagement.

Arion's father said he destroyed dimensions and Arion is above him.

BTW, is Llan above Dormammu?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Arion's father said he destroyed dimensions and Arion is above him.

BTW, is Llan above Dormammu?

Their close, he pretty much maxes out all the stats.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Dreamqueen constantly destroys her own universe and recreates in on a whim. She did it multiple times

But her own 'nightmare' universe is different. They even allude to her not really ruling anything, just like Nightmare himself. That's why she's called "dream queen"...it's not a PHYSICAL universe. I'm talking about a legit reality.

Great Beasts killed everyone in their universe, and are on a planet that was said to be once like Earth.

Llan was said to be a devourer or universe, but we never saw him directly do it due to the Rules of Engagement.

Gotcha. Didn't know that about the Beasts, and that's a never on Llan then.

Originally posted by Desaad
But her own 'nightmare' universe is different. They even allude to her not really ruling anything, just like Nightmare himself. That's why she's called "dream queen"...it's not a PHYSICAL universe. I'm talking about a legit reality.

Gotcha. Didn't know that about the Beasts, and that's a never on Llan then.

Definetly, but it's the same principle as the "gods" Prep-Man mentioned, hence why I brought her up.

Others are physical, Llan destroyed mystical dimensions but never a universe due to Eternity stepping in.

But the gods' powers affected the real, physical universe which I think is distinct -- that's more a Master Order/Lord Chaos type deal, and those guys are absurdly powerful.

Just saying.

I also want to add I don't know Talisman at all. Seems powerful as hell, though.

Originally posted by Desaad
But the gods' powers affected the real, physical universe which I think is distinct -- that's more a Master Order/Lord Chaos type deal, and those guys are absurdly powerful.

Just saying.

I also want to add I don't know Talisman at all. Seems powerful as hell, though.

I must be thinking of different characters then, as the characters I'm thinking of were the split image of Dreamqueen. Know the issue numbers?

Don't worry no one does, she is obscure like all AF characters 😛

No idea. I have a respect thread somewhere on here or herochat I think that I did some time back, but it's been years, and frankly those were some awful, awful books.