Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Sentry would be good if they didnt wank the shit out of himand if they retconned his shitty history and personality
No all that they would have to do is write the past off as him going through a sort of incubation period. Sort of like his human mind could not compensate with all of the power that he housed, and once they brought him back they could just give him a Spock type of personality. This would explain the schitzoid personality disorder that plagued the character, and would truly put this Void stupidity aside making the two truly one.
I say bring him back. Sentry was the first Superman homage (including Superman), that had some pathos and interesting character traits. People were mad that did have the same bland, static, one dimensional personality of Superman... but why would Sentry be Superman when Superman is off being Superman? The unstable personality is what made him work. What if a mentally unstable and deeply deranged person had the powers of Superman? Great pitch, now bring him back and do something with the character that lives up to the premise.
No leave him dead. I was a big fan of the chracter after his first mini, but after he appeared in New Avengers he became a pointless character that would often flee battles having a mental attack and became way to unstable. This was supposed to be the "bravest and greatest hero of them all" mind you.
Bendis ruined the character for me.
Originally posted by -K-M-
No leave him dead. I was a big fan of the chracter after his first mini, but after he appeared in New Avengers he became a pointless character that would often flee battles having a mental attack and became way to unstable. This was supposed to be the "bravest and greatest hero of them all" mind you.Bendis ruined the character for me.
Sentry's psychological disorfers were why he was a good character!
Why do people hate on the fact so much? If Sentry was just another Superman he would be as boring as Superman. Perfect characters are dull.
Superman isn't perfect, though. Anyone who's read enough Superman comics know that he does have faults and makes mistakes. Clark's an incredibly layered and interesting character as well; not sure why people flock to the Sentry just because he's "crazy", as if that in of itself makes him more interesting.
Sentry being retroactively forced into decades worth of Marvel comics does him no favors. And to date, Fallen Sun still reeks of being one of the most blatant writer wank stories I've ever had the misfortune of reading.
Originally posted by srankmissingninNobody's mad that Sentry wasn't Superman. Superman fans don't want that, because Clark's already doing a better job being Superman than Sentry would, and Superman haters don't want that because, well, they don't like Superman in the first place.
I say bring him back. Sentry was the first Superman homage (including Superman), that had some pathos and interesting character traits. People were mad that did have the same bland, static, one dimensional personality of Superman... but why would Sentry be Superman when Superman is off being Superman? The unstable personality is what made him work. What if a mentally unstable and deeply deranged person had the powers of Superman? Great pitch, now bring him back and do something with the character that lives up to the premise.
Sentry isn't well liked because his 'character development' was garbage, and his entire concept was foisted on readers and fans. There are a great number of characters out there already dealing with mental instability and they're doing it in a manner much more nuanced, well-paced and engaging than the goofiness that was Bob Reynold's entire presence in New Avengers and beyond.
Originally posted by Existere
Nobody's mad that Sentry wasn't Superman. Superman fans don't want that, because Clark's already doing a better job being Superman than Sentry would, and Superman haters don't want that because, well, they don't like Superman in the first place.Sentry isn't well liked because his 'character development' was garbage, and his entire concept was foisted on readers and fans. There are a great number of characters out there already dealing with mental instability and they're doing it in a manner much more nuanced, well-paced and engaging than the goofiness that was Bob Reynold's entire presence in New Avengers and beyond.
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Originally posted by Existere
Nobody's mad that Sentry wasn't Superman. Superman fans don't want that, because Clark's already doing a better job being Superman than Sentry would, and Superman haters don't want that because, well, they don't like Superman in the first place.Sentry isn't well liked because his 'character development' was garbage, and his entire concept was foisted on readers and fans. There are a great number of characters out there already dealing with mental instability and they're doing it in a manner much more nuanced, well-paced and engaging than the goofiness that was Bob Reynold's entire presence in New Avengers and beyond.
A cursory glance of this thread and the posts are either a) keep him dead, or b) bring him back and make him what he was "supposed to be," the greatest hero ever. Sounds like people want him to be Superman to me...
His character development was fine. He is a paranoid schizophrenic with a massive god complex... and near limitless godlike powers. There is nothing subtle or nuanced about that diagnoses.
Marvel already has the greatest hero ever. His name is Steven Grant Rogers. Or, if your mileage varies, Peter Parker.
It's just funny how people want Marvel to have a Superman archetype character, which they already have several, but instead of just someone with the powerset, they also want someone to be portrayed as the "greatest hero of them all". And usually, these same people hate Superman or find him uninteresting because he's "perfect".
Thanks, but no thanks. Marvel creating a character that was a complete Gary Stu, forcing him down our throats, and worse, forcing him into decades worth of established canon just to put him over was probably one of the dumber ideas the House of Ideas had. Bendis turning him into a villain to be killed off was just about the only thing he could do.
Originally posted by srankmissingninWell, I just took my own cursory glance through this three-page thread and it seemed like people were largely on either team "leave him dead" or team "...maybe if they do it right this time?". People aren't easily categorized though, and opinions are all over the place. If people want Sentry to be Superman, that doesn't ring a lot of sense to my ears, but whatever.
A cursory glance of this thread and the posts are either a) keep him dead, or b) bring him back and make him what he was "supposed to be," the greatest hero ever. Sounds like people want him to be Superman to me...His character development was fine. He is a paranoid schizophrenic with a massive god complex... and near limitless godlike powers. There is nothing subtle or nuanced about that diagnoses.
There should be plenty of opportunity for subtle or nuanced development when writing a paranoid schizo with a massive god complex and nearly limitless powers that he doesn't really understand. Sentry's entire direction as a character felt forced, awkward and uninspiring, and it insisted on dominating Marvel's focus until he was dead. Nobody should want that to return.
I mean, christ, Typhoid Mary has had better writing.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
A cursory glance of this thread and the posts are either a) keep him dead, or b) bring him back and make him what he was "supposed to be," the greatest hero ever. Sounds like people want him to be Superman to me...His character development was fine. He is a paranoid schizophrenic with a massive god complex... and near limitless godlike powers. There is nothing subtle or nuanced about that diagnoses.
👆 Sentry was a drug addict thug with addled poor intelligence who obtained near ultimate power. With that power came the urge to deal with the insanity by becoming the personification of heroism. Unfortunately an insidious counter personality emerged and grabbed the mutant Mastermind (who manipulated Jean Grey Phoenix) and used the power to erase his existence from every bodies memories. He became multiple hermits. A home bound hermit, A self imprisoned powerhouse and a comic character.
Once released he emerged once again the Sentry but couldn't hold his fears in check like a normal schizophrenic. Barely able to hold his head together at times like a person on a bad trip. And other times slightly in control and realizing new potentials. But with those new potentials came worser side effects. He kept recreating his wife who was one of his anchors. Morbid.
and eventually Osborn took control and allowed Sentry to completely let lose. The final version of Void was not an unstoppable entity simply due to the fact that Sentry upon realizing what he was wished with all his heart to commit suicide but couldn't do it himself. He was also so weak psychologically that he actually embraced the Void's promise of possible freedom through acceptance. Truly tragic.
Once the fallen Helicarrier knocked the Sentry back into control like a simple slap on the face. And seeing what he had done. He forced Thor to do what he couldn't do himself. Death through Odinforce. And there he will remain finally at peace.
A great character. And the sheer representation of the balance of nature. And its consequence. Sentry was also a powerful analogy of drug use.
Bendis didn't screw the Sentry. The Skrulls tricking Reynolds into leaving the Earth in fear of his own power whilst the Secret Invasion commenced was cool. Everybody laughed and hated it. Mocking the character but it was perfect. His actions amongst the New Avengers and Dark Avengers weren't badly written nor was his takedown of Molecule Man he simply had that potential. Molecule Man showed him his potential briefly and the fact that he didn't show such feats afterwards was another analogy of the drug user, having inspiring thoughts through inspiration then forgetting it later.
He should stay dead.