Zealot & Midnighter vs Lady Shiva & Batgirl

Fight on a trasantlantic boat.

Who takes the cake?

I would say team 1, they've got significantly more superhuman stats.

Originally posted by Q99
I would say team 1, they've got significantly more superhuman stats.

Agreed.

Well... Zealot is at least class 10 and sometimes bullet proof, but Midnighter isn't that much stronger or faster than either Shiva or Cass.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Well... Zealot is at least class 10 and sometimes bullet proof, but Midnighter isn't that much stronger or faster than either Shiva or Cass.

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lady shiva and batrgirl have nothing on these two. also, i think midnighter is def superhuman in stats

I think either of T1 has a chance of soloing.

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
lady shiva and batrgirl have nothing on these two. also, i think midnighter is def superhuman in stats

Reinforced skeleton, healing factor, enhanced muscles... yea.

Shiva and Cass are skilled, but skill loses to skill *and* power.

Team 1 in a stomp.

Originally posted by Konton

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That's not a strength feat, if it was a strength feat... the missile would have exploded. It's either a Amadeus Cho-esq calculation feat as a result of Midnighter's super computer, or PIS.

Midnighter is around class two, not that much stronger than either Shiva or Cass. As for speed, Midnighter says he can run 2k in 3 minutes... which isn't superhuman speed, so much as it is superhuman endurance. I'd give both the DC Ladies speed advantages over Midnighter.

Zealot could likely solo, unless Shiva lands a lucky Leapords Blow, but either of these two could give Midnighter a fight. He is practicly a mirror image of Deathstroke, and we've seen Cass contend with him on several occations.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
That's not a strength feat, if it was a strength feat... the missile would have exploded. It's either a Amadeus Cho-esq calculation feat as a result of Midnighter's super computer, or PIS.

Midnighter is around class two, not that much stronger than either Shiva or Cass. As for speed, Midnighter says he can run 2k in 3 minutes... which isn't superhuman speed, so much as it is superhuman endurance. I'd give both the DC Ladies speed advantages over Midnighter.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Are you seriously going to suggest that it doesn't take any kind of superhuman strength/durability to reflect the kinetic energy of a tank shell without injury?

If you hit a tank shell with enough strength to alter its trajectory it would explode... that's not really open to discussion.

When I read that issue I got the impression it was a bs skill feat as a result of Mid's battle computer. /shrug

That scan was all about hitting the shell with the right amount of force to redirect it. Mid predicted the path and timed it. Its not about strength.

If Thing would have tried it, it would have gone BOOM!

Originally posted by The Nuul
That scan was all about hitting the shell with the right force to redirect it. Mid predicted the path and timed it. Its not about strength.

That's my impression as well.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
If you hit a tank shell with enough strength to alter its trajectory it would explode... that's not really open to discussion.

When I read that issue I got the impression it was a bs skill feat as a result of Mid's battle computer. /shrug

I could maybe buy that he simply 'nudged' the shell if it weren't for the fact that he kicks it like a soccer ball. His battle computer wouldn't matter at that point because no matter how you kick an exploding shell hurtling at that velocity it's going to explode.

Crappy artist, the shell is going off on a angle. It was redirected.

So do you think Zealot vs the other three would be closer?