Originally posted by StyleTime
I do disagree with one thing in particular. This first article seems to imply that grappling is superior to striking, which is not true. I would have thought that the MMA community was done with the old argument of grappling vs striking but it appears there may still be some hold outs.
Yeah, the Gracies and Randy Couture sure didn't prove that, am I right? haermm
Originally posted by StyleTime
😛In all honesty, I see striking as equal to grappling.
Striking + take down defense, maybe. We've seen too many times in a contest of pure grapplers vs. pure strikers that strikers are at an obvious disadvantage for me to think otherwise.
I believe it was Shogun who said that a 135 pound high school wrestler would beat Mayweather or Pacquiao in a fight.
Originally posted by StyleTime
I meant more that they are equal as a "primary" style in an MMA environment where everyone is likely skilled in both areas.I agree with you though. Someone without grappling training would be utterly helpless on the ground, although it is possible for a flash KO.
Oh, I gotcha now. ermmhappy
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
These are some articles written by Mike Reilly, an MMA instructor based in Bloomington, Minnesota. He does a good job of exposing McDojos and further explains his general resentment of TMA."Belts, Bowing and BS" http://bisons.net/training/belts_bowing_bs.html
"The Necessity of Competition" http://bisons.net/training/necessity_of_competition.html
"Pushing to Compete" http://bisons.net/training/pushing_to_compete.html
"Real Traditional Martial Arts" http://bisons.net/real_tma.htm
Nice articles. 1st ones great.
grappling is gay azz hell LOL
so many illegal moves cater to gay grappling
Many are even destructive and go more towards producing cowards, fools and wimps. For those who eat, bleed and sweat the real deal it is easy for us to just over look the dojo clowns😆 thats funny because when i was a kid my mom asked if i wanted to join a martial arts class i said no i'd rather teach myself how to fight by actually getting into fights
and i've taught myself well... but i haven't faught again since being released from juevie for the 6 time for fighting 😆
Very disappointed in my boy Mousasi, but I don't blame him getting taken down. Out here in Glendale he trains with great boxers and kickboxers, and does some Judo/Sambo, and when he's overseas in Netherlands, he trains his boxing and kickboxing.
He needs extensive training in wrestling, and especially on his take down defense.
Originally posted by Dr. Leg Kick
Very disappointed in my boy Mousasi, but I don't blame him getting taken down. Out here in Glendale he trains with great boxers and kickboxers, and does some Judo/Sambo, and when he's overseas in Netherlands, he trains his boxing and kickboxing.He needs extensive training in wrestling, and especially on his take down defense.
Your boy has nothing really to hang his head about in that fight. He was whoopin that ass.
Here, I explain my thoughts/views on his fight with Jardine.
http://www.mmalinker.com/forum/mma-discussion/my-thoughts-on-the-mousasi-jardine-fight-t81964.html
Originally posted by batdude123Well said, check your PM
Your boy has nothing really to hang his head about in that fight. He was whoopin that ass.Here, I explain my thoughts/views on his fight with Jardine.
http://www.mmalinker.com/forum/mma-discussion/my-thoughts-on-the-mousasi-jardine-fight-t81964.html
Mousasi was robbed. In current american MMA the takedown onws all. The takedown, a transitional move that by itself doesn't mean a thing, because what matters is what you can achieve with it (meaning GnP or Submissions). So Jardine was being punch in the face and tkx to some useless takedowns, takedows who weren't followed by a serious threat or any kind of damage, he got a draw...
Ridiculous.
And Nick Diaz rulez
Originally posted by batdude123
Striking + take down defense, maybe. We've seen too many times in a contest of pure grapplers vs. pure strikers that strikers are at an obvious disadvantage for me to think otherwise.
Or if the grappler can't perform a take-down. Case in point: Sotiropilous vs Siver. The Aussie couldn't shoot if his life depended on it, so he got his ass whooped by the German Taekwondo fighter. Sotiropilous kept reaching in, as opposed to tackling and driving. He's excellent once he's on the ground, but lacks the transitional take-down skills required to get there.
Kinda funny, because grapplers (especially BJJ guys) tend to look down on TKD. They view it as a "little kid" style.
Originally posted by batdude123
I believe it was Shogun who said that a 135 pound high school wrestler would beat Mayweather or Pacquiao in a fight.
I don't know about that. An Olympic wrestler maybe, but not some pimple-faced dweeb in a singlet. A kid like that would pose about a big of threat to Pacquiao, as some dorky teen who got his blackbelt after only spending two years in an assembly line-style Mcdojo.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Or if the grappler can't perform a take-down. Case in point: Sotiropilous vs Siver. The Aussie couldn't shoot if his life depended on it, so he got his ass whooped by the German Taekwondo fighter. Sotiropilous kept reaching in, as opposed to tackling and driving. He's excellent once he's on the ground, but lacks the transitional take-down skills required to get there.Kinda funny, because grapplers (especially BJJ guys) tend to look down on TKD. They view it as a "little kid" style.
This is irrelevant, because Siver is a mixed martial artist. He trained his take down defense extensively for that fight with George. That's why I said striking + take down defense can be as effective.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I don't know about that. An Olympic wrestler maybe, but not some pimple-faced dweeb in a singlet. A kid like that would pose about a big of threat to Pacquiao, as some dorky teen who got his blackbelt after only spending two years in an assembly line-style Mcdojo.
Why, because of the stigma that the wrestler isn't a professional athlete who gets paid millions and millions of dollars to fight? Lawl. The outcome would be the same if it was an Olympian, or just a really good high school wrestler. Neither Pacman or Mayweather have trained in wrestling or take down defense a day in their lives. Unless they landed a lucky punch, they'd easily be taken down and pounded on.