The Lone Wanderer (Fallout 3) vs The Hero of Tamriel (Oblivion)

The Hero of Tamriel, vs The Lone Wanderer.

Both have maximum stats, all spells/perks, and your choice of weapons, armour, equipment and items.

This allte takes place in the West Weald, West of Corrol, at the foot of the Jerral Mountains.

They are out to kill, no holds barred, because the loser will not only die, but the losers world will cease to exist, as per the will of Sithis!

Best of 10 rounds, the winner of more than 5 victories wins the match.

Oh, and they don't start in line-of-sight of eachother

Alien blaster to the head one-shot kill.

Shield spells...

besides, this ain't a quickdraw match.

Spam nukes

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Would he even know where to aim? Invisibility and Chameleon are pretty cheap ways to get through a forested area unseen, and spamming even MIRV Fatman shots seems more like a waste...

Meh I can easily turn the tables and say, Maximum Fingers of the Mountain lightning blast would hit the Lone Wanderer before he has a chance to pull the trigger...

Booya!

Even while using Chameleon, you don't think Lone Wanderer's VATS will have an automatic lock on him? In Operation Anchorage, I believe I was able to get a lock on the communists even when they wore their stealth suits. I couldn't exactly shoot them in VATS while they were invisible but their location was exposed.

Yeah.

VATS utterly destroys The Hero

Yeah, but those stealth suits wer not %100 stealth (Looked at their stats, I think they only provide, at best 75%, as much as a stealth boy).

A 100% chameleon plus sneak mastery is as good as anything even Solid Snake could conjur up.

Lone Wandered don't have to see him in order to kill him, just nuke the entire area.

Like I said, a waste of ammo, and potentially disasterous when faced with a person who can shoot equally deadly elemental blasts of magic.

Maximum Lightning or Fire spells will doom the Wanderer if he acts without caution and poise.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Yeah, but those stealth suits wer not %100 stealth (Looked at their stats, I think they only provide, at best 75%, as much as a stealth boy).

A 100% chameleon plus sneak mastery is as good as anything even Solid Snake could conjur up.

Does the percentage even matter since those stealth suits still made those commies very difficult to see? They looked about as invisible as someone using Chameleon it would seem.

Nah. Before the HoT can successfully perform a sneak attack, Lone Wanderer swaps into his stealth suit and disappears. While wondering where he's at, the HoT unexpectedly gets a Gauss Rifle round to the face.

100% chameleon is complete invisibility... I tested it, and I tested it on NPCs as well. The stealth suits still give off "shimmers" like Predator cloaking does. Oh, and BTW, Life Detect renders Wanderer's stealth useless 😛

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
100% chameleon is complete invisibility... I tested it, and I tested it on NPCs as well. The stealth suits still give off "shimmers" like Predator cloaking does. Oh, and BTW, Life Detect renders Wanderer's stealth useless 😛

Okay so stealth is out of the question for Wanderer but still, what makes you think his VATS won't detect the HoT when he uses Chameleon?

Because it's never picked up anything that well hidden before... look, They are in a forest setting, seeing anything in that kind of terrain is bad enough (Especially in the Wanderer's case, since the entirety of the wasteland, Minus Oasis, in which no combat was performed) was a radioactively blasted desert and cityscape). But then you add in a person you can't see in the least, who has haxx magical capabilities, enchanted armour and weapons, and can see you like you had lit a flare in a cave...

Yes, it's true, Wanderer has by far the superior weapons and tech edge, and I'd assume power armour could fend off arrows and maybe the occasional stab from a knife or shortsword... but anything enchanted would ruin his day... I would give the wanderer perhaps 3 out of 10 wins right now, since i've been able to counter most arguments exept for perhaps a blind MIRV fatman spam. and even thats iffy since HoT can spam AOE destruction spells just as crazily, and with enough Welkind stones/Sorcery potions...

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Because it's never picked up anything that well hidden before... look, They are in a forest setting, seeing anything in that kind of terrain is bad enough (Especially in the Wanderer's case, since the entirety of the wasteland, Minus Oasis, in which no combat was performed) was a radioactively blasted desert and cityscape). But then you add in a person you can't see in the least, who has haxx magical capabilities, enchanted armour and weapons, and can see you like you had lit a flare in a cave...

Yes, it's true, Wanderer has by far the superior weapons and tech edge, and I'd assume power armour could fend off arrows and maybe the occasional stab from a knife or shortsword... but anything enchanted would ruin his day... I would give the wanderer perhaps 3 out of 10 wins right now, since i've been able to counter most arguments exept for perhaps a blind MIRV fatman spam. and even thats iffy since HoT can spam AOE destruction spells just as crazily, and with enough Welkind stones/Sorcery potions...

If you give Wanderer all his stuff, he gets an alien ship capable of blowing up a good portion of Canada.

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Also, glorious Hellfire armor ftw.

Though really. A MIRV spam would destroy the Hero.

The ship can't be used to do that in-game tho 😛

Seriously, a 100 damage 100 ft for 2 minutes destruction spell does the job as effectively as the MIRV.... And yes, I tested it, a fireball spell made to those specs is absolutely enormous.

Magic over science, all day long.

Not sure about the rules of this thread but Midas magic spells in Oblivion would trash the lone wanderer. chameleon, 100 damage protection/reflection spells, nuclear explosion of magic at the tip of your finger etc.

But yeh, normal Oblivion character would likely still take this, true invisability+finger of the mountain or firestorm would be as dangerous to LW as a fatboy barrage would be to him.

Also dont forget, Oblivion characters can have remote manipulation or higher levels of TK. Just fling the fanboy bombs back....

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Because it's never picked up anything that well hidden before... look, They are in a forest setting, seeing anything in that kind of terrain is bad enough (Especially in the Wanderer's case, since the entirety of the wasteland, Minus Oasis, in which no combat was performed) was a radioactively blasted desert and cityscape). But then you add in a person you can't see in the least, who has haxx magical capabilities, enchanted armour and weapons, and can see you like you had lit a flare in a cave...

Yes, it's true, Wanderer has by far the superior weapons and tech edge, and I'd assume power armour could fend off arrows and maybe the occasional stab from a knife or shortsword... but anything enchanted would ruin his day... I would give the wanderer perhaps 3 out of 10 wins right now, since i've been able to counter most arguments exept for perhaps a blind MIRV fatman spam. and even thats iffy since HoT can spam AOE destruction spells just as crazily, and with enough Welkind stones/Sorcery potions...

Never picked up anything that well hidden before? The VATS system detected invisible people. I don't give a crap if they were 75% invisible. When I took their suit, I played ring around the rosy with Super Mutants and Mercs 😐

Couldn't the Lone Wanderer just use the perk where, when his health gets low, he explodes?