Originally posted by Q99
Are X-23 and Omega Red even 'feral'...?
Romulus set Logan Creed Omega Red Wildchild and Daken against each other. To see who could take his throne.
If these guys work together. They murder Team 2. Midnighter won't be able to catch up.
Originally posted by Q99
She fights in the highly calculating manner she was trained with without showing emotion. That's like the opposite of feral, unless she gets trigger scent.
She doesn't usually go berserk if that's what you mean, but not only is her powerset standard feral, her behavior is as well. Her cold and calculating habits are all associated with predation (that was honed into battle expertise by the facility) and she shows as much emotion as a predator on the pry - little to none. She also displays feral-like territorialism, protectionism of others and general reactions in her personal life. She even growls whenever she feels threatened or jealous. Her displays of baseline instinct are cruder than logan's whenever they happen.
Originally posted by 753
She doesn't usually go berserk if that's what you mean, but not only is her powerset standard feral, her behavior is as well. Her cold and calculating habits are all associated with predation (that was honed into battle expertise by the facility) and she displays feral-like territorialism, protectionism and general reactions in her personal life. She even growls whent she feels threatened or jealous. Her displays of baseline instinct are cruder than logan's whenever they happen.
Uh, growls? She doesn't really do that (outside of the Claremont written stuff or trigger scent), nor is she particularly territorial. She responds to most things in almost machinelike ways and is hyper-literal in her language, and has great problem with emotion.
And couldn't 'associated with predation' be said of pretty much any fighting? When I think feral fighting, I think aggressive and savage and instinctual, not calm and calculating and tactical with a cool head.
Originally posted by Q99
Uh, growls? She doesn't really do that (outside of the Claremont written stuff or trigger scent), nor is she particularly territorial. She responds to most things in almost machinelike ways and is hyper-literal in her language, and has great problem with emotion.And couldn't 'associated with predation' be said of pretty much any fighting? When I think feral fighting, I think aggressive and savage and instinctual, not calm and calculating and tactical with a cool head.
That's the x-force portrayal. Young x-men and some of her previous appearences developped her better.
She hissed and unsheathed her claws when she saw noriko kissing hellion and has consistantly displayed territorial protection of both him and wolverine like sitting by hellion's bedside like a silent watchdog and eyeballing him like prey - very feral sexuality. She's snarled and growled on other occasions as well and even her cold glare is always portrayed as that of a quiet beast stalking.
She also cuts herself whenever emotions bubble up to the surface as she never learned how to deal with them. There's nothing machine-like about her, although that is what the facility was going for. She is simply efficient and quiet in the battlefield, her agression is as instinctive as wolverine, she's just more disciplined. She's as calculating as a jaguar in the same manner a jaguar is.
Originally posted by 753
That's the x-force portrayal. Young x-men and some of her previous appearences developped her better.
That's her portrayal in her two miniseries, New X-men, and X-Force, all of whom were done by her creators. 80-90% of X-23 stuff was written by the same people after all.
X-Force has her acting more emotionless because the events of Noriko kissing Hellion and then what happened during Messiah Complex scared her away from emotions.
She hissed and unsheathed her claws when she saw noriko kissing hellion and has consistantly displayed territorial protection of both him and wolverine like sitting by hellion's bedside like a silent watchdog and eyeballing him like prey - very feral sexuality. She's snarled and growled on other occasions as well and Even her cold glare is always portrayed as that of a quite beast stalking.[/b]
Just watching him doesn't strike me as particularly feral when it's part of her assassins training too, she was trained to be highly observative.
Simply protecting others does not qualify as 'feral' either. It is showing emotions, but pretty normal ones. She carries them out in the method she was trained.
Also, she did not hiss when Noriko kissed Hellion. Her claws went out, she staired for a bit, then ran off to cut herself and when Mercury came she told Cessily she didn't understand what she was feelings and that she's scared she'd hurt someone. That's more emo than feral.
Basically she has little instinct except what was trained into her. She slowly shows more emotion during New X-men but when something outside her experience happens she retreats into herself. She's not particularly good at anything outside of her training. Anti-feral, she's the second most controlled, bottled up person here behind Batman.
She also cuts herself whenever emotions bubble up to the surface as she never learned how to deal with them.
Yes. 'Feral' tends to be very emotional, not cut off from emotions.
There's nothing machine-like about her, although that is what the facility was going for. She is simply efficient and quiet in the battlefield.
The cutting herself thing is what happens when she goes outside her comfort zone, which is her automatic, follow-orders-and-carry-out-missions mindset, which is pretty darn machine-line.
The battlefield especially she's non-feral, but most of the time she's pretty analytical too.
Originally posted by Q99Yes, humans like all other animals have such protection instincts. It's the form in which she expresses it that was pretty obviously feral. Regular humans don't sit and stare nonstop at their loved ones like that. To me it was clear the writer was going for a display of protection instinct reminiscent of how wild animals show it. Standing guard.
Just watching him doesn't strike me as particularly feral when it's part of her assassins training too, she was trained to be highly observative.Simply protecting others does not qualify as 'feral' either. It is showing emotions, but pretty normal ones. She carries them out in the method she was trained.
Also, she did not hiss when Noriko kissed Hellion. Her claws went out, she staired for a bit, then ran off to cut herself and when Mercury came she told Cessily she didn't understand what she was feelings and that she's scared she'd hurt someone. That's more emo than feral.[quote] Yes, territorial and animal-like in her display of jealousy. I recall a low hissing, but I quess could be wrong.Well, instinct, by definition, can't be traind into anybody. They built the traning on top of her natural stalking and killing instincts, atempting to reign them under their control so they could be used on comand. Wolverine went through the progammes too, he fights with both animalistic savagery and calculating tactics at the same time. She is of course colder in her demeanor than him.[quote]
Basically she has little instinct except what was trained into her. She slowly shows more emotion during New X-men but when something outside her experience happens she retreats into herself. She's not particularly good at anything outside of her training. Anti-feral, she's the second most controlled, bottled up person here behind Batman.
Yes. 'Feral' tends to be very emotional, not cut off from emotions.
I wouldn't say that. One can behave very emotionally, completelly out of control even, and not be or seem feral at all, like thor going berserk. Likewise, wild animals stalking prey don't display anger or even agression.
It's not how emotional they are that makes them feral, it's how they are designed to remind us of wild animals and base instinct through posture, expression and looks. This can be acomplished through a wolverine berserk rage fit, but it can also be shown by her cold, single-minded drive to get her prey.
The cutting herself thing is what happens when she goes outside her comfort zone, which is her automatic, follow-orders-and-carry-out-missions mindset, which is pretty darn machine-line.The battlefield especially she's non-feral, but most of the time she's pretty analytical too. [/B]
I agree that's why she does it, bu I think we'll have to agree to disagree on our interpretations of feral behavior. I'd say that even her obedience is more similar to an attack dog's than to an actual automatom.