superman isnt a warrior anyways not in the literal sense of the word.. fans might think he is b/c he fights but that doesnt make one a warrior and he really shouldnt be able to lift thor's hammer...
now barda, wonder woman and orion are different they are warriors through and through plus some what noble..
The only people who've legitimately wielded Mjolnir, are Thor, Bill, Odin, and Dargo. Bor too I guess.
Originally posted by dmills
How about we make a list and vote yea or nay?Steve Rodgers
Silver Surfer
Hercules
Ironman
Spiderman
Batman
Superman
Nova Prime
Logan
Iron FistYes or no on any of them.
There's no person on that list who'd be worthy in Mjolnir's eyes in my opinion.
Some writer's think that just because your a noble warrior, that means you're capable. I blame it on DeFalco. He saw Bill lift it under Walter and thought that anyone good whose willing to sacrifice themselves can apparently do it.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusYour denying that surfer and cap aren't pure enough?
The only people who've legitimately wielded Mjolnir, are Thor, Bill, Odin, and Dargo. Bor too I guess.There's no person on that list who'd be worthy in Mjolnir's eyes in my opinion.
Some writer's think that just because your a noble warrior, that means you're capable. I blame it on DeFalco. He saw Bill lift it under Walter and thought that anyone good whose willing to sacrifice themselves can apparently do it.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Cap, Zeus, Jerkules?
I haven't really seen anything from Zeus that would lead me to believe he'd be worthy. Athena would come closer in my opinion. Rogers does come pretty close in my book, at least among mortals, but simply being a noble strong willed warrior doesn't fit the specifications. Otherwise Balder, Sif, the Warrior's Three, and so on would be capable of doing it.
Lately, Hercules has come closer, but I don't he'd be found worthy.
What some people didn't understand -DeFalco- is that Bill went through a ridiculous amount of pain and was willing to sacrifice anything for a worthy cause. Which includes his own morality and that which he holds dear to him. For that Mjolnir found him worthy, which surprised Odin because he didn't think any mortal would reach this level.
Kurt Busiek understood this, which is why he had Thor tell Superman what he did. That under extreme situations, Mjolnir would let certain individuals wield it -such as Steve Rogers- but that's it.
Thor led his closest friends to their deaths in Ragnarok, including Sif etc. knowing they would die horribly because it was the necessary thing to do. It isn't very nice, doesn't fit with the codes of other heroes such as Superman, but it's not suppose to.
Worthiness is a very vague term however so it's open to interpretation.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusI'm talking about who has already lifted it.
I haven't really seen anything from Zeus that would lead me to believe he'd be worthy. Athena would come closer in my opinion. Rogers does come pretty close in my book, at least among mortals, but simply being a noble strong willed warrior doesn't fit the specifications. Otherwise Balder, Sif, the Warrior's Three, and so on would be capable of doing it.Lately, Hercules has come closer, but I don't he'd be found worthy.
What some people didn't understand -DeFalco- is that Bill went through a ridiculous amount of pain and was willing to sacrifice anything for a worthy cause. Which includes his own morality and that which he holds dear to him. For that Mjolnir found him worthy, which surprised Odin because he didn't think any mortal would reach this level.
Kurt Busiek understood this, which is why he had Thor tell Superman what he did. That under extreme situations, Mjolnir would let certain individuals wield it -such as Steve Rogers- but that's it.
Thor lead his closest friends, to their deaths in Ragnarok, including Sif etc. knowing they would die horribly because it was the necessary thing to do. It isn't very nice, doesn't fit with the codes of other heroes such as Superman, but it's not suppose to.
Worthiness is a very vague term, but that's what I understand from reading Thor.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusBut if being noble, being a warrior and willing to sarcifice oneself isnt enough then what else would it take to be worthy of it?
The only people who've legitimately wielded Mjolnir, are Thor, Bill, Odin, and Dargo. Bor too I guess.There's no person on that list who'd be worthy in Mjolnir's eyes in my opinion.
Some writer's think that just because your a noble warrior, that means you're capable. I blame it on DeFalco. He saw Bill lift it under Walter and thought that anyone good whose willing to sacrifice themselves can apparently do it.
I think being willing to sacrifice anything, even one's morality including what they hold dear matters as well. Other than that, I'm not too sure.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I'm talking about who has already lifted it.
Oh okay.
Hercules has never lifted the hammer as far as I know. I don't think Zeus has either. He caught the hammer for like a panel but it immediately flew away. It was described as momentarily halting the hammer's flight. I also think that scene had more to do with raw power than his character.
Roger's was able to lift it for a few moments when Thor was fighting Grogg. But that could fall under the statement Thor made to Superman. Of course, that crossover isn't cannon...
Also, there's a difference between lifting Mjolnir and being granted the full power of Thor from what I can understand.