Zoro vs Neji

1. Pain destroyed Konoha (Which is not that big), and made a small mountain with Chibaku Tensei. Whitebeard casually quaked Marineford and the sea beyond it, and could easily cause tidal waves by creating quakes on the bottom of the ocean that would have envoloped and destroyed much or all of Marineford, if not for Aokiji.

And I'll note, those are actual earthquakes. Those on Marineford didn't instantly die. So it's a wide area effect, but less destruction within the area.

And more to the point, how many people have destructive power above that of Pain in OP? 3 or so?

Genjutsu is so laughably useless in damn near all cases that do not involve a Sharingan,

Non-sharingan genjutsu by Itachi really did a number on Naruto even when he was using the anti-genjutsu technique.

It's often less worthwhile, but we generally see it used against people with very, very high genjutsu resistance.

Utterly unlike, say, Luffy, who's quite vulnerable to mental stuff.

and you forget that certain sufficiently powerful characters, Whitebeard, Kuma, Enel, Kizaru, etc., are at the very least powerful enough to kill any Naruto character near them.

That's true, I'm not saying that OP's super elite isn't still more powerful, I'm saying the gap is a lot smaller than it used to be.

Consider how many non-Logia OP characters can take a hit from Killerbee's oxtopus chakra blast or a high-tailed Kyuubi blast. I'm not sure if any of them have the durability to take it, and only a few have the power to block it.

As for Kamui, only Kakashi and Madara have abilities kind of like that, Kakashi would never get the chance to use it (What with Konoha being instantly obliterated),

If they happen to be right at Konoha, hardly a neutral circumstance. Not even the likes of Kizaru or Kuma would instantly destroy the village either. Heck, nor would Whitebeard, he'd wreck the place. That's really a feat only Enel with Maxim is going to be doing.

If it's a fight in a neutral battlefield, Kakashi has a good chance of getting a kamui shot against a powerful OP character via stealth.

the difference between Pein and the heavy hitters in OP is that their attacks don't strain them as much or kill them, at all...

I'm pretty sure that they could also do their village busting attacks repeatedly before they even drop a sweat...

Deva Path: Shinra Tensei!
Konan: Stop pwning yourself Nagato!
Nagato: **coughs blood**

that is the downside of chakra, which applies to almost all Naruto characters, the more uber the jutsu, the more chakra it uses up...

on the other hand, WB upon reaching marineford created a sea quake so strong it produced a tsunami on either side of the island, each capable of swallowing the island whole if not for Aokiji, and that was only a warm-up...

Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
the difference between Pein and the heavy hitters in OP is that their attacks don't strain them as much or kill them, at all...

Yea. Endurance, not scale, is probably the biggest difference between the two. Only the biju can even do a few repeat fires of their biggest attacks without being hurt.

If the two sides exchange attacks and they cancel each other out, that's bad for any Naruto nin. They need to be inflicting damage.

Good point. But if we are to use the konoha crater as a measuring stick in terms of scope for a single attack, I agree with you that there are maybe 3 or 4 that could do it...

However, there are alot of OP characters that could produce the crater in say 2 or 3 hits and keep on going long after Nagato completely taxes himself out...

also, if both sides started attacking each other, from what we've seen, you can lump all the Naruto characters together and it would maybe take 10 or less OP characters to match the firepower the Naruto side would generate IMO...

Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
Good point. But if we are to use the konoha crater as a measuring stick in terms of scope for a single attack, I agree with you that there are maybe 3 or 4 that could do it...

However, there are alot of OP characters that could produce the crater in say 2 or 3 hits and keep on going long after Nagato completely taxes himself out...

also, if both sides started attacking each other, from what we've seen, you can lump all the Naruto characters together and it would maybe take 10 or less OP characters to match the firepower the Naruto side would generate IMO...

However, there is more to fighting than throwing firepower to each other 🙂 A Raikiri through the heart would still kill most OP characters, a rasenshuriken thrown from behind, Orochimaru's mile-long sword suddenly stabbing from underground...

Naruto does have the advantage in variety of powers per person and sneakiness of attacks after all.

Assuming of course they can even get close...🙂

why resort to melée when you can rain destruction from above, cause it under, or inflict damage from within, all from a comfy distance...

Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
Assuming of course they can even get close...🙂

why resort to melée when you can rain destruction from above, cause it under, or inflict damage from within, all from a comfy distance...

Flight's a pretty rare power in OP, and the ninja are fast enough to get pretty close pretty fast. It's not rare they run into destruction from above/under/within either.

Hm.... you know who'd be good in dealing with the stronger OP characters? Minato. So very fast even by their standards (thanks to teleporting), and he can teleport big attacks back at the user.

Shiki can shape the earth however he wants or he could just levitate the whole area the shinobi side is standing on and bfr them for the easy win, considering the fact that he levitated a dozen islands and suspended them for 20 years...

if the big guns of OP actually care enough to attack...

the shinobi are disoriented as the earth is shaking(magnitude 7) and being frozen due to WB and Aokiji, while thousands of lasers, magma, island busting lightning, and some ship sized cannonballs are raining down simultaneously...

a slightly less overkill version yet overkill nonetheless would be Eustass amassing all kunais, shurikens, and katanas from the get go followed by the giants, some 30 pacifista's doing ursus shock from a distance, followed by Kuma and Magellan in demon poison form to take care of what's left...

it would be awesome if Sasuke got turned into a newkama by Ivankov or his sharingan rendered useless by Usopp via hotsauce to the eyes...

Even the big guns generally like to fight more individually 🙂 The Admirals didn't just send huge waves of large-scale attacks against the White Beards, after all. Though it would be bad if the high-ups in OP did en mass.

Dealing with more individual fights is more manageable.

Back to this one, I think it's an actual fight. Neji has a way of knocking Zoro away from melee/blocking hits, and his own hits should slowly reduce Zoro's strength with internal damage.

yes, but my point was that they don't need to resort to melée...🙂

individual fights is indeed more manageable but it doesn't change the fact that a character/s let alone the whole of OP is/are capable of taking on the whole of Narutoverse in a standard forum fight...

as for the fight, Zoro does not need to go near Neji as he can use ranged attacks like the pound ho techniques, and he is capable of taking hits far beyond what Neji can dish out, such as a direct strike from Mihawk and when he absorbed Luffy's injuries in addition to his own via Kuma's bubble...

Originally posted by draxx_tOfU

individual fights is indeed more manageable but it doesn't change the fact that a character/s let alone the whole of OP is/are capable of taking on the whole of Narutoverse in a standard forum fight...

They do have more high-level people and their high level is a bit higher. I don't think anyone is arguing that.

Break it up into smaller fights and things get a lot more interest.

Though... it would be funny if all the OP characters unleashed their strongest attacks at once and Minato used his time-space jutsu to mirror them all back and let them take themselves out 🙂

as for the fight, Zoro does not need to go near Neji as he can use ranged attacks like the pound ho techniques, and he is capable of taking hits far beyond what Neji can dish out, such as a direct strike from Mihawk and when he absorbed Luffy's injuries in addition to his own via Kuma's bubble...

Note that we're using beginning Zoro who didn't demonstrate the shockwave techniques yet, it's quite awhile before he gets those.

And while he can take that kind of damage without dying, both took him out and then some. You don't need that level of attack to hurt him- a mere stab to the side caused injury that affected his performance, and Mr. 1 was able to cut him up pretty well.

Accumulated small wounds will do, even if it takes a lot of them to actually take him out.

Minato redirected a single concentrated attack, very different from a shower of lasers, lightning, magma, and fire numbering in the thousands and scattered randomly...

I also doubt if he could absorb say, shockwaves, or prevent it even if he knew the tectonic origin...

beginning Zoro would be a hard fight, since he is still stronger, and more durable, not sure about speed...

anything above Arabasta Zoro rapes IMO...

Hm. This is beginning to cross over into tl;dr levels I see.

Originally posted by Q99
And I'll note, those are actual earthquakes. Those on Marineford didn't instantly die. So it's a wide area effect, but less destruction within the area.

And more to the point, how many people have destructive power above that of Pain in OP? 3 or so?

Non-sharingan genjutsu by Itachi really did a number on Naruto even when he was using the anti-genjutsu technique.

It's often less worthwhile, but we generally see it used against people with very, very high genjutsu resistance.

Utterly unlike, say, Luffy, who's quite vulnerable to mental stuff.

That's true, I'm not saying that OP's super elite isn't still more powerful, I'm saying the gap is a lot smaller than it used to be.

Consider how many non-Logia OP characters can take a hit from Killerbee's oxtopus chakra blast or a high-tailed Kyuubi blast. I'm not sure if any of them have the durability to take it, and only a few have the power to block it.

If they happen to be right at Konoha, hardly a neutral circumstance. Not even the likes of Kizaru or Kuma would instantly destroy the village either. Heck, nor would Whitebeard, he'd wreck the place. That's really a feat only Enel with Maxim is going to be doing.

If it's a fight in a neutral battlefield, Kakashi has a good chance of getting a kamui shot against a powerful OP character via stealth.

Whitebeard, Enel, Blackbeard, Ace (Maybe), Akainu, Aokiji, Oz (Based on size), Oz Jr. (See before), that big ****er in Blackbeard's crew (Seriously, he could sit on Konoha), and that is all I can recall off the top of my head.

2. Itachi is one exception to that I would admit, he is probably the best Genjutsu user in Naruto.

I can't recall it working on someone who isn't a genin, Tsukiyomi discounted.

Luffy is, yeah, would admit that. But Luffy is also physically much more powerful and is faster than anyone in Naruto.

3. Not by alot, Naruto characters are severely lacking in speed and durability, compared to OP. In terms of destructive power, they have gotten closer, and individual Naruto characters are prolly more versatile on a whole.

Luffy has taken blasts from Usopp nearly that powerful. Franky survived the destruction of Vegnapunk's lab just fine, that explosion was gigantic, making the Kyuubi and Eight Tail's attacks look trivial. Oh, and the entire crew was able to survive El Thors from Enel, which vaporised city blocks. Jozu could take it, he took one of Mihawk's slashes unscathed, the same ones which cut that million ton iceberg in half. Magellan might be able to take it. Gecko Moria could take it. Kuma could take it, and then respond with an even moar powerful attack. Matter of fact, the entire crew got a good durability feat from Kuma, he pushed them all to different islands in the Grand Line, and they all survived. Oh, and Zoro would take it, but in a delightfully Zoro fashion would spit out a couple hundred gallons of blood afterwards. estahuh

4. Kuma could clap his hands and destroy large sections of the village at a time, and then warp around the village and continuously do it if he wanted to. Kizaru could not, in terms of pure power he is probably the weakest of the three Admirals, but he could wreck any Naruto character he hit, and is faster than every Naruto character, especially when one considers his Devil Fruit. Whitebeard could level the whole village effortlessly, and then handle the survivors pretty easily. Enel with Maxim would vaporise entire villages and more at once, hell, he could even destroy some of the countries.

He could, but he will probably die before-hand, and there are many OP characters who could one-shot him.