Cross Genre Match #12: Rock Lee vs Karate Kid

I've always figured Naruto is in the same boat as DBZ. Sure, they're fast, but it's pretty impossible to say how fast. The best I've seen out of Rock Lee was his Chakra gates against Gaara, which only lasted a short while and put him at serious risk. He probably showed more skill against the bone guy, but speed has to go to him against Gaara.

Haven't seen him in Shippuden pretty much at all, but haven't seen all of it. I think I quit watching around the time the guy made the house out of wood.

I'm gonna power scale and say that the Rock Lee against Gaara was < Kakashi who, if I recall, has a best feat of cutting a lightning bolt in half. So, if KK fought a Kryptonian, he's on a completely different level than the Rock Lee I am familiar with.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I've always figured Naruto is in the same boat as DBZ. Sure, they're fast, but it's pretty impossible to say how fast. The best I've seen out of Rock Lee was his Chakra gates against Gaara, which only lasted a short while and put him at serious risk. He probably showed more skill against the bone guy, but speed has to go to him against Gaara.

Haven't seen him in Shippuden pretty much at all, but haven't seen all of it. I think I quit watching around the time the guy made the house out of wood.

I'm gonna power scale and say that the Rock Lee against Gaara was < Kakashi who, if I recall, has a best feat of cutting a lightning bolt in half. So, if KK fought a Kryptonian, he's on a completely different level than the Rock Lee I am familiar with.

So with this said since Cap has fought Thor, Thunderstrike, Hulk, do you also consider him above Rock Lee?

Possibly. He DOES have bullet time feats.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Possibly. He DOES have bullet time feats.

LOL... WOW MooCow... just wow.

Either "WOW" is an acronym I am not familiar with or you just failed to actually prove me wrong.

Of course that doesn't matter. Cap vs Lee is irrelevant to the topic at hand.

Rock Lee has super sonic speed, class 10 in strength and he's a top tier MA. 😐

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Either "WOW" is an acronym I am not familiar with or you just failed to actually prove me wrong.

Of course that doesn't matter. Cap vs Lee is irrelevant to the topic at hand.

So you dont think Rock Lee can slap bullets out of the air?

😕

You dont think Rock Lee if physically more faster than your average street level characters?

MooCow... do you not like anime characters?

As far as I know, there is nothing to suggest that he can.

I actually did think that, but do I think he's faster than a bullet? As far as I know, nothing suggested he was.

Ah, so I don't think anime characters are as good as you do, so I must not like them all together? You're wrong, sir. Rock Lee is probably my favorite Naruto character now.

If what Marwash says is true, then cool. Is that good enough to hang with the best KK then? Still, I doubt it.

I'm not familiar enough with Rock Lee to decide on a clear winner, but are we using PC KK or the 3Boot version, or some kinda composite? PC KK could likely win, though likely not in a complete stomp, because, yes, though seeming like PIS, he performed insance feats as shattering unbreakable emeralds with precision strikes, shattering diamond holding chambers while near death, and other comparable feats on a regular basis on panel, plus he had reflexes capable of dealing with objects travelling at C (and I'm not just talking about the bullcharging Mon El). He also adapted techniques to utilize his Legion Flight Ring that give him increased speed and range (the rings are capable of interstellar flight speeds, and he'd use those in short bursts to amplify his striking velocity). The most recent KK may or may not be the same guy. I'm not entirely clear on the LOS Post Crisis status. I'm not familiar enough with Rock Lee to arbitrarily say KK beats him.

Originally posted by marwash22
Rock Lee is way more dangerous IN A FIGHT AGAINST KK, than ANY Kryptonian who chooses to go h2h with him.

Guess you never heard of Black Dragon? An expert martial artist that trained under the same master. Val punked his ass easily.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I've always figured Naruto is in the same boat as DBZ. Sure, they're fast, but it's pretty impossible to say how fast. The best I've seen out of Rock Lee was his Chakra gates against Gaara, which only lasted a short while and put him at serious risk. He probably showed more skill against the bone guy, but speed has to go to him against Gaara.

With his gates open, Lee did seem to be making sonic boom shockwaves.

Best-guess, if you ask me at least, is the fastest Naruto characters like Kakashi and Gai and most S-class ninja are a bit sub-sonic using their normal speed techniques (body flicker mostly, that move where they briefly disappear. Or at least so it's shown if the other side isn't fast enough to follow), but people with specific speed techniques like the gates can go beyond that.

I've seen a calculation that puts their long distance travel speed (no body flicker, no nothing) at 60mph based on one of the trips some characters did on foot.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
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Guess you never heard of Black Dragon? An expert martial artist that trained under the same master. Val punked his ass easily.

Originally posted by marwash22
Rock Lee has super sonic speed, class 10 in strength and he's a top tier MA. 😐

I don't recall sonic booms, but I do recall little shock waves from redirecting Gaara's body in the air.

Originally posted by amnesia
So he do have superhuman attributes?

Kind of.

Basically, he can dish it out, and take it, from a character on Supermans level. He can keep up with the fastest speedsters. He can even physically restrain Superboy in an unbreakable armlock and strangle hold. Not only that, he spun him around like a top at super speed, actually knocking him out.

But he's completely human. It's all done through futuristic space martial arts.

Don't even try and think about how it works. 😄

Originally posted by marwash22
Rock Lee. KK beats/hangs in there with meta's with no martial arts skill and martial artist's who aren't meta... he's not beating owning a meta with high end MA skill.

It happens. Even the allmighty Batman has times when he's struggling with a character he should be able to beat in five seconds.

Karate Kid does suffer from variable showings (The same writer who had him punch and kick pre crisis Superboy with no ill effects, also had him hurt his leg on a super lobsters shell.), but we're supposed to throw out PIS showings on the board.

And considering KK from day one was able to fight Superboy, it's pretty obviously PIS when he struggles with regular humans, or characters well beneath the Kryptonian/Daxamite tier. (Brave and the Bold was particularly bad with that, so he wouldn't outshine Batman.)

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removes a couple tons of weight from his ankles then holds them with arms extended... doing so with very little effort. Before he took the weights off, he jumps 30 feet in the air doings multiple backflips.

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Originally posted by marwash22

KK has super karate and is trained under his master to take on meta humans.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
KK has super karate and is trained under his master to take on meta humans.

It means he can hang with people who are super speedster, super strength, and can enhance his own stats as well. All through super karate.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
It means he can hang with people who are super speedster, super strength, and can enhance his own stats as well. All through super karate.

KK can beat people who have Superspeed.
KK can beat people who have Superstrength.
KK can beat people who have Superspeed and Superstrength.
KK can beat people who have MA skill.

How about someone with all the above?