Originally posted by lil bitchinessWhat is 'being france' exactly?
There is a difference between culture evolving and culture forcibly changing in the name of accommodating something that isn't French and hasn't ever been French.
For many people, culture is identity and there is no logical reason why France is to become anything other than France.
Ive been to France & I enjoyed it but since i couldn't speak French i had to speak in slow English to communicate with the locals in Paris & alot French people get very angry when you dont speak French to them.
Multiculturalism is pretty much a failure in France & i dont see any improvements happening in the near future.
Originally posted by lil bitchinessI'm just kidding, I've only been to paris, muslim culture didnt seem prevalent at all.
Muslim? How so?
Where exactly did you go? Marseilles?
I just don't get this opposition to islam on an ethnic identity basis. It's one thing to defend some political ideals that shape the french state and may eventually conflict with muslim practices, like secularism, but opponents of islam in france - from what I've seen of them - seem more concerned with a quasi-volkisch idea of a 'true french' people with a crystalized native culture that is being disfigured by the very presence of 'foreigners' (even when they were born in france). This is what doesn't seem very french to me. In fact, it seems more german arround the 1930s.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
There is a difference between culture evolving and culture forcibly changing in the name of accommodating something that isn't French and hasn't ever been French.
For many people, culture is identity and there is no logical reason why France is to become anything other than France.
There is reason though, because new people with different cultures live there. Cultures have forcibly changed in the past, German, French, English culture, are all based on forcibly change as well as independent evolution. Just because there is a way considered French culture now doesn't mean that that shouldn't ever change, nor does it mean that people with a different culture should not be free to live out theirs either, even if they don't live in the location mostly associated with that culture anymore.
Of course that's mostly a philosophical point, I suppose France can implement some rules to preserve their culture...however perhaps they shouldn't do it in a way that leads to the ostrazication of certain groups. Perhaps they should consider what is reasonable and moral to ask someone in return for citizenship or living rights.
They do have the power over their place, de facto, they should just realize that it doesn't make them special.
Originally posted by 753
I'm just kidding, I've only been to paris, muslim culture didnt seem prevalent at all.I just don't get this opposition to islam on an ethnic identity basis. It's one thing to defend some political ideals that shape the french state and may eventually conflict with muslim practices, like secularism, but opponents of islam in france - from what I've seen of them - seem more concerned with a quasi-volkisch idea of a 'true french' people with a crystalized native culture that is being disfigured by the very presence of 'foreigners' (even when they were born in france). This is what doesn't seem very french to me. In fact, it seems more german arround the 1930s.
That is true, heck a lot of French people don't consider their Football team french because the team is full of players who are second generation French and well the team is comprised of non-white players.