Savage Hulk vs Brainiac 8 & Brianiac

he seems pretty savage to me.. 😛

Originally posted by King Castle
i dont see brainiac 8 being a 100 tonner.. even if she is she be extremely low end to make any real difference.

Even though she was pretty easily beating down groups of low-100 tonners?

One-shotting Grace Choi and Thunder, strangling Starfire, easily overpowering Wonder Girl... she was clearly in a higher league than them, taking most down with a single blow. B8 did grow her arm bigger to do that, but in terms of physical power she's got much.

i'm sorry but, i think i have made up my mind they aint winning a physical fight.

and grace, thunder have no real strength feats to assume they are 100 tonners never seen them lift anything in that weight range not even firestar...

wondergirl was also significantly weaker then and pretty sure brainiac 8 didnt confront her at all. WG was busy with connor and getting blasted by rockets from luthor.

Originally posted by Q99
Even though she was pretty easily beating down groups of low-100 tonners?

One-shotting Grace Choi and Thunder, strangling Starfire, easily overpowering Wonder Girl... she was clearly in a higher league than them, taking most down with a single blow. B8 did grow her arm bigger to do that, but in terms of physical power she's got much.

Yeah, the B's are beasts. Even in the New Krypton arc, Braniac says his strength and speed have enhanced.

Originally posted by King Castle
i'm sorry but, i think i have made up my mind they aint winning a physical fight.

Some would call that a spite thread, even though in practical terms it really isn't.

Originally posted by King Castle
i'm sorry but, i think i gave made up my mind they aint winning a physical fight.

Yea, we noticed you seemed to pre-decide this without evidence to back it up.

and grace, thunder have no real strength feats to assume they are 100 tonners never seen them lift anything in that weight range not even firestar...

Starfire is stronger than pre-res Donna Troy, Grace was able to cause damage to Sabbac, a Captain Marvel foe. Thunder might not be, but her physical durability is up there, and she can still deliver plenty of damage with her 'land on someone while greatly multiplying her mass'.

Then there's her one-shotting Metamorpho/shift with a single energy blast.

Anyway, multiple high meta types, all dealt with casually.

wondergirl was also significantly weaker then and pretty sure brainiac didnt confront her at all. WG was busy with connor and getting blasting by rockets from luthor.

Brainiac 8 held her by the throat for like 3-4 pages and it looked like she choked her out near the end.

And Wonder Girl at the time was Ares-powered and quite strong. Not quite as strong as self-demigod powered, but still pretty darn powerful at that point.

you seem to forget how savage hulk has dealt with teams.. he has similar solo fight moments just as impressive if not more so..

with the likes of herc, samson, wonderman, Giant man.. etc etc..

now these guys are were established in their strength by feats and bio's.

Originally posted by King Castle
you seem to forget how savage hulk has dealt with teams.. he has similar solo fight moments just as impressive if not more so..

And you have him fighting against two very powerful foes. We aren't forgetting, he's simply still at a disadvantage.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Yes and this is the crux of the issue. You made this thread utterly certain that Hulk would win, probably even stomp.

Some would call that a spite thread, even though in practical terms it really isn't.

now i am curious why ppl are giving DD the win against the same foe..

i am simply tryin to understand what gives them the win.. what fighting skills h2h or powers have they shown tha they can use on hulk

Originally posted by King Castle
actually i made this thinking the team wins.. i just didnt like the argument for them which made me question why ppl are giving them wins with faulty AB logic.

Your reasoning has not been made clear to the rest of us. You've taken examples of these two doing impressive stuff and therefore downgraded your ratings of them?

now i am curious why ppl are giving DD the win against the same foe..

DD's way more powerful than Hulk.

i am simply tryin to understand what gives them the win.. what fighting skills h2h or powers have they shown tha they can use on hulk

Ok, first, you take someone at least as physically strong if not stronger than Superman.

Then, you throw in herald-level backup with strong energy abilities and again class 100+ strength, though not quite as much...

and that beats the Hulk.

If this was World War Hulk, it might be another matter. Not Savage Hulk though.

not exactly the same as DD and his solo beat down of three herald guys.. but, he isnt exactly too far behind either..

Originally posted by Q99
And you have him fighting against two very powerful foes. We aren't forgetting, he's simply still at a disadvantage.

didnt she tkae on the entire team by herself?

no.

she cheap shotted some of them when she turned and left..

Originally posted by Prep-Man
didnt she tkae on the entire team by herself?

Yes.

King Castle
no.

she cheap shotted some of them when she turned and left..

She took them on one at a time, but most of them took her on face to face and got attacks in. Thunder landed on her, Jade hit her with a construct, Starfire blasted a hand off, Shift tried to restrain her, you get the idea.

Then at one point she was facing the entire Outsiders and Teen Titans and taking a pounding, them used a sonic attack that stopped all of them but Shift.

King Castle you are ignoring the fundamental rule of debating. You came into this match with a clear winner in your mind and no amount of logic or fact will change it, despite what you seem to be preaching to us. i don't buy it, you have a LONG history on more than one site of making such threads. Please be open to peoples arguments instead of sticking your thumbs in your ears and sticking your tongue out on them.

i came here giving the probable win to the team... try again.

Originally posted by King Castle
i came here giving the probable win to the team... try again.

And yet you seem to have just up and decided to switch sides without much reason?

I just looked through the Brainiac vs Superman story again. Superman punched him, Vril stopped his fist cold and squeezed until it *bled*. And earlier, he squeezed Kal's head until it bled.

Brainiac was by most appearances stronger in raw physical power than Kal-el of Krypton.

And Brainiac 8 ripped through mid and high metas, some nearing low-herald, like they were candy.

That's a significant amount of power on both their parts, and you've apparently downgraded both of them in your head based on their ability to overmuscle Superman and slap around teams, to the point that even two-on-one you don't think they'll win. It is hard to figure out.

actually, i changed my mind with ppl's argument and reasoning.

it isnt like i really care if hulk or the team wins.. what i want is legit explanations substantiated by panel feats.

Originally posted by King Castle
actually, i changed my mind with ppl's argument and reasoning.

In the opposite direction of the feats and arguments? Sorry, you need to give us more than that.

You started out surprised that Brainiac could fight Superman 1 on 1. Now you were told he can, therefore you went from "Weaker-than-Supes Brainy wins," to "Equal/Stronger-than-Supes Brainy loses,"?

it isnt like i really care if hulk or the team wins.. what i want is legit explanations substantiated by panel feats.

What part of "Kryptonian+ strength and Teambuster with versatility beats Hulk," is, specifically, giving you trouble? That's what the on-panel feats tell us they can do.

Brainiac vs Hulk on it's own would be an excellent fight on the physical level. B+B8 means they flat out outpower him and will beat on him until he drops.

You say you changed your mind, but your arguments have been all on the same side from the start, and mostly in downplaying the Brainiacs as much as possible.

They win because they're stronger, that's it plain and simple.

i am not saying brainiac doesnt have the strength or Durability which is why i put him in this fight.

but, lets look at it like this:

how many times has hulk manhandled, herc, thor and guys like gladiator?

he isnt low end either plus his rage is something that make him more brutal especially in his savage mode.

is Hulk manhandling teams and various bricks as well not enough he has manhandled brick teams as well.