Scientists discover tiny solar panels that create themselves

This could be a big step in the right direction as pollution free energy is concerned. I wonder if some oil company will buy the patent and "loose" the idea for now.

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scientists at MIT have discovered molecules that spontaneously assemble themselves into a pattern that can turn light into electricity — essentially a self-creating solar panel. In a petri dish

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Uh Ah.....God made them

Originally posted by Bicnarok
This could be a big step in the right direction as pollution free energy is concerned. I wonder if some oil company will buy the patent and "loose" the idea for now.

Taken from link below.

scientists at MIT have discovered molecules that spontaneously assemble themselves into a pattern that can turn light into electricity — essentially a self-creating solar panel. In a petri dish

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Unsuable until we can create functionally conductive carbon nano-tubes. Right now, it works on the micro or even nano scale (I don't know how small they were working, here).

But, if we could create long strands/strings of carbon nano-tubes, binding photosynthetic soups to carbon nano-tubes would be closer to the bottom of the list of breakthrough uses.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Unsuable until we can create functionally conductive carbon nano-tubes. Right now, it works on the micro or even nano scale (I don't know how small they were working, here).

But, if we could create long strands/strings of carbon nano-tubes, binding photosynthetic soups to carbon nano-tubes would be closer to the bottom of the list of breakthrough uses.

I don't see how longer nanotubes would help this. The benefit is simply that they can fix themselves if damaged.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I don't see how longer nanotubes would help this. The benefit is simply that they can fix themselves if damaged.

You'd have to have much longer nanotubes in order to conduct electricity in any usable way. Good luck fabbing those. Until they can fab really long nanotubes and rope them into "wire", the "discovery" is useless.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You'd have to have much longer nanotubes in order to conduct electricity in any usable way. Good luck fabbing those. Until they can fab really long nanotubes and rope them into "wire", the "discovery" is useless.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You'd have to have much longer nanotubes in order to conduct electricity in any usable way. Good luck fabbing those. Until they can fab really long nanotubes and rope them into "wire", the "discovery" is useless.

Woah, did photovoltaics researchers kill your dog or something?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Woah, did photovoltaics researchers kill your dog or something?

Originally posted by dadudemon
You'd have to have much longer nanotubes in order to conduct electricity in any usable way. Good luck fabbing those. Until they can fab really long nanotubes and rope them into "wire", the "discovery" is useless.

One step at a time, first you need the idea and possibility. The other problems can be solved eventually.

It´s not really that much of a suprise when you consider how many fish can produce electricity, ie eels. maybe they should take a look at them.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
One step at a time, first you need the idea and possibility. The other problems can be solved eventually.

It´s not really that much of a suprise when you consider how many fish can produce electricity, ie eels. maybe they should take a look at them.

Actually, they are doing it backwards. First, we have to be able to fabricate carbon nano-tubes, on a mass scale, macroscopically, for relatively cheap.

Then, we can explore technologies like this.

However, like I said earlier, if we could do that with carbon nanotubes, this would be one of the discoveries down at the bottom of the barrel as there are far better uses for carbon nano tubes.

Basically, they are using imperfect technologies to make even less imperfect technologies. It is definitely useless, at this point.

And before anyone says it, I am not being closed minded. I'm actually being open minded.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Woah, did photovoltaics researchers kill your dog or something?

Nah. But dozens and dozens of photovoltaic 'breakthroughs' have lead me to be more open minded about things.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Actually, they are doing it backwards. First, we have to be able to fabricate carbon nano-tubes, on a mass scale, macroscopically, for relatively cheap.

Why bother thinking about cars when the wheel is still in production, eh?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Basically, they are using imperfect technologies to make even less imperfect technologies.

Exactly like the whole history of technology...

Originally posted by dadudemon
Actually, they are doing it backwards. First, we have to be able to fabricate carbon nano-tubes, on a mass scale, macroscopically, for relatively cheap.

At least say it´s one piece in the puzzle, your surely not going to be totally negative are you 😱

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Why bother thinking about cars when the wheel is still in production, eh?

Exactly like the whole history of technology...

Your post contains no real rebuttal: just oblivious technology-loving rhetoric.

How long did it take before we had a car, after the "wheel" was invented?

And, no, the whole history of technology is not like that. If one technology depends on another to work, then the latter has to be developed enough to be usable by the former. This is much easier if you don't play word games, but, instead, actually get the point: you can change "imperfect' to what ever word you want until it jives well with your mind. Simply: this "discovery" is useless for the forseable future.

If we were to be as hopeful as you guys want to be, we should be jumping up and down at all the little microscopic fusions expierments which have no way, at all, of transferring to any usable form.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
At least say it´s one piece in the puzzle, your surely not going to be totally negative are you 😱

Actually, I am. Any useless discovery is useless. We need to work on nano-tubes before this can be useful.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The benefit is simply that they can fix themselves if damaged.

One step closer to a healing factor, Wolverine fanboys will be ecstatic.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Your post contains no real rebuttal: just oblivious technology-loving rhetoric.

How long did it take before we had a car, after the "wheel" was invented?

And, no, the whole history of technology is not like that. If one technology depends on another to work, then the latter has to be developed enough to be usable by the former. This is much easier if you don't play word games, but, instead, actually get the point: you can change "imperfect' to what ever word you want until it jives well with your mind. Simply: this "discovery" is useless for the forseable future.

If we were to be as hopeful as you guys want to be, we should be jumping up and down at all the little microscopic fusions expierments which have no way, at all, of transferring to any usable form.

Actually, I am. Any useless discovery is useless. We need to work on nano-tubes before this can be useful.

The "car wheel" comparison is pathetic, has nothing to do whatsoever with this discovery in any way.

It IS a part of the puzzle, gives a good reason to advance research into carbon nano-tubes or other methods of harnessing the energy.

If everyone took your approach we´ve still be running around with clubs, wearing tarzan like shorts and worshiping fire and the sun.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
If everyone took your approach we´ve still be running around with clubs, wearing tarzan like shorts and worshiping fire and the sun.

Wait, it's not okay to do that stuff anymore?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Your post contains no real rebuttal: just oblivious technology-loving rhetoric.

How long did it take before we had a car, after the "wheel" was invented?

And, no, the whole history of technology is not like that. If one technology depends on another to work, then the latter has to be developed enough to be usable by the former. This is much easier if you don't play word games, but, instead, actually get the point: you can change "imperfect' to what ever word you want until it jives well with your mind. Simply: this "discovery" is useless for the forseable future.

If we were to be as hopeful as you guys want to be, we should be jumping up and down at all the little microscopic fusions expierments which have no way, at all, of transferring to any usable form.

Actually, I am. Any useless discovery is useless. We need to work on nano-tubes before this can be useful.

Interesting.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Wait, it's not okay to do that stuff anymore?

Nope, since the sun & fire is now thought to be non intelligent (you never now), people choose to worship invisible none existant dieties, normally borrowed from some ancient fantasy stories.

Yep the need to cling onto something fantasic, to think our future is in some superbeing´s hands, and the need to not contemplate death for what it is seems to be a trait humans have passed on 😱

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I don't see how it's "useless" just because it's impractical at the moment. There's no such thing as useless knowledge.

I totally agree. 😮‍💨

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I don't see how it's "useless" just because it's impractical at the moment. There's no such thing as useless knowledge.

Nope, this is the exceptions apparently. But I think he might be joking because ddm was something of a singularitarian a year or so ago.