Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
against Thor, Superman's weakness doesn't really mater much as Thor cant generate red sunlight nor produce kryptonite.
not exactly true. Thor can BFR superman into the middle of a red sun and/or absorb and release red solar energy with mjolnir offensively.
Magic doesn't even equate much as Thor's magical nature doesn't add much as he doesnt really use magic offensively like most magic users like strange an zatana.
Again, not true. Even if we ignore the fact that mjolnir is a giant *enchanted* hammer (remember, thor's uru hammer is only as durable as it is due to odin's enchantment), We still have the godforce blast to consider, which is most certainly a magical attack, and very, very destructive. Also, Thor can pummel him senseless with magic lightning blasts, etc.
Against Surfer, Surfer can still drain Superman. or he could amp his strength to "Atomic Level" whatever that means 😛 Plus his other exotic powers would still prove adequate to take the Majority [/B]
Surfer still wins hands down here. Even without exploiting a kryptonite or red solar weakness, Surfer is still able to do crazy things like shrink to microscopic size and obliterate superman from the inside of his body. Defensively, he's quite a bit faster and can go intangible- even if we don't consider "amping" to be a good defensive tactic.
in terms of "power" they all have it, Thor and Surfer are just more versatile in terms of the application.
A superman with no weaknesses is still at a slight disadvantage versus Thor and Surfer.
Thor has teleportation, Superior energy projection, Energy absorption, and Matter Manipulation abilities that superman doesn't have. Speed is debatable, and pure strength is probably a wash.
Surfer has a speed advantage, the ability to "phase", size manipulation, matter manipulation, and GREATLY superior energy projection and absorption abilties. Strength and Durability may be lower by default, but we know surfer can "amp" his abilities to an unknown degree. Also consider cosmic awareness means Surfer is going to know precisely how powerful superman is. If it's possible to amp to that level or beyond it to level the playing field, he will.
Unless Superman is allowed to sundip mid fight or something to increase his powers, I'd still say these two have an edge over him. not 9/10 or 10/10, but intelligently written easily a 7 or 8