Originally posted by h1a8There is no actual way to know that at all. Skreet was clearly stunned by the singularity he created and even thanos conceded they should leave the vicinities, apparently to avoid being dragged in by it.
Lastly, It's ok to accept that SS can create black holes (although he done it only once or twice). Its just that the black hole (or singularity) he creates should have far less than one solar mass. It's theoretically possible to turn a baseball into a black hole. Its gravitational strength will be nothing compared to a 10 solar mass black hole though. So SS's black hole would do nothing to WW, assuming she just stands there for a moment and let him make one on her.
Originally posted by 753
Standard WW would get stomped, but I'm not sure about full gear. What exactly is all her gear?
Gauntlet of Atlas: This multiplies her strength and toughness by 10, but reduces the control of her strength.
Sandals of Hermes: Gives the speed of Hermes. Largely redundant.
Themyscira armor and shield: High-durability armor.
Sea Shell of Kane Malohi: Grows and can take her anywhere, across dimensions or what have you.
Sword of Hephaestus: Enchanted to cut anything. Cuts Kingdom Come Superman's skin as easily as it does paper.
Variety of other weapons: Axe and so on. Enchanted and such but doesn't have specific names. Axe once used to kill Ares.
Tiara: Has an enchantment similar to the sword's.
Aegis Bracers: Can block pretty much everything (up to and including the Omega Effect), have never been damaged, and can also produce the lighting of Zeus on command.
Lasso: Lasso of Truth. Can be used as a restraint, slicing weapon, and to touch people's souls. When firmly bound, cannot be escaped from (though a loose encircling won't have the same effect).
Originally posted by Q99KC Supes was vulnerable to magic -- a fact specifically mentioned when the sword cut him. Not saying the sword isn't powerful, but its ability to cut Supes wasn't overly impressive.
Sword of Hephaestus: Enchanted to cut anything. Cuts Kingdom Come Superman's skin as easily as it does paper.
Originally posted by Q99Is the gear transmutation proof? does it make her transmuation proof?
Gauntlet of Atlas: This multiplies her strength and toughness by 10, but reduces the control of her strength.Sandals of Hermes: Gives the speed of Hermes. Largely redundant.
Themyscira armor and shield: High-durability armor.
Sea Shell of Kane Malohi: Grows and can take her anywhere, across dimensions or what have you.
Sword of Hephaestus: Enchanted to cut anything. Cuts Kingdom Come Superman's skin as easily as it does paper.
Variety of other weapons: Axe and so on. Enchanted and such but doesn't have specific names. Axe once used to kill Ares.
Tiara: Has an enchantment similar to the sword's.
Aegis Bracers: Can block pretty much everything (up to and including the Omega Effect), have never been damaged, and can also produce the lighting of Zeus on command.
Lasso: Lasso of Truth. Can be used as a restraint, slicing weapon, and to touch people's souls. When firmly bound, cannot be escaped from (though a loose encircling won't have the same effect).
Originally posted by 753
Standard WW would get stomped, but I'm not sure about full gear. What exactly is all her gear?
While what WW's "full gear" is has changed over the past 25 years, in most forums it is generally accepted as at least including: her golden armor (which more or less compensates for her relative durability weaknesses, when compared to the likes of Superman, et al); the Sandals of Hermes, which can (theoretically) allow her to enter almost any other dimension (though not a given, but plausably reasonable in most situations); the Gauntlets of Atlas which magnify her strength *and* stamina 10-fold; (one of ) the Swords of Hephaestus (sic) which can cut through almost anything (think Wolverine's claws - in terms of sharpness/cutting, but backed by WW's strength... then multiply times 10 for the Gauntlets); Harmonia's Amulet which can also allow her to enter other realms, as well as aid in certain mystical ways; and, of course, her standard gear: The Aegis Bracers that can deflect nearly any (at least semi-) physical assault, as well as manifest the Aegis Effect to repel the likes of assembled gods, The Omega Effect, and The Godwave -- as well as now have the (fringe/tertiary/writer's discretion) ability to channel Zeus' lightning/godpower; The Lasso of Truth that can potentially bind any being and force them into submission (SS might be able to work around that via the nature/meta-truth of his existance... or not...); and her Tiara, which has similar cutting/piercing ability as her sword.
There is some other gear people include (such as the Lanasarian), but the L doesn't properly exist anymore, and in anycase the above list makes her capable of taking on full-on gods and winning.
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Regular gear WW (whom SS is most likely to encounter 99.9999% of the time): Surfer takes a solid majority, with WW getting a couple wins via her comparable strength/relative speed and lasso.
Tricked-out WW (as listed above) will likely get the majority (and those who think otherwise are conflating SS broader *range* of abilities with the fact that the above WW comes with all the necessary *core* abilities/defenses needed to take him...)
EDIT: Damn my slow typing...
Originally posted by tideoftime
While what WW's "full gear" is has changed over the past 25 years, in most forums it is generally accepted as at least including: her golden armor (which more or less compensates for her relative durability weaknesses, when compared to the likes of Superman, et al); the Sandals of Hermes, which can (theoretically) allow her to enter almost any other dimension (though not a given, but plausably reasonable in most situations); the Gauntlets of Atlas which magnify her strength *and* stamina 10-fold; (one of ) the Swords of Hephaestus (sic) which can cut through almost anything (think Wolverine's claws - in terms of sharpness/cutting, but backed by WW's strength... then multiply times 10 for the Gauntlets); Harmonia's Amulet which can also allow her to enter other realms, as well as aid in certain mystical ways; and, of course, her standard gear: The Aegis Bracers that can deflect nearly any (at least semi-) physical assault, as well as manifest the Aegis Effect to repel the likes of assembled gods, The Omega Effect, and The Godwave -- as well as now have the (fringe/tertiary/writer's discretion) ability to channel Zeus' lightning/godpower; The Lasso of Truth that can potentially bind any being and force them into submission (SS might be able to work around that via the nature/meta-truth of his existance... or not...); and her Tiara, which has similar cutting/piercing ability as her sword.There is some other gear people include (such as the Lanasarian), but the L doesn't properly exist anymore, and in anycase the above list makes her capable of taking on full-on gods and winning.
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Regular gear WW (whom SS is most likely to encounter 99.9999% of the time): Surfer takes a solid majority, with WW getting a couple wins via her comparable strength/relative speed and lasso.
Tricked-out WW (as listed above) will likely get the majority (and those who think otherwise are conflating SS broader *range* of abilities with the fact that the above WW comes with all the necessary *core* abilities/defenses needed to take him...)
EDIT: Damn my slow typing...
Agreed that wonderwoman with all her gear may have what it takes to get the majority over SS (this really depends on what objects that are immune to transmutation/manipulation), but i really dont see regular wondy even managing to take one win from current non jobbing SS. The lasso is really her only hope there, and even then it would damn hard to snag SS with that given his forcefields/speed/and also his ability to simply encase/entrap the lasso effectively eliminating its usefulness.
Originally posted by Starscream M
it would be out of character for him to do thatalso that prob won't even work as lasso is magical
No it wouldnt. He has used encasement and entrapment against Thor, Carnage, Genis vell (which was actual board entrapment) etc. Stop commenting on things u know nothing about. Moreover the lasso being magical is not in and of itself a defense againt it being entrapped in a forcefield or a cosmic energy shell akin to his board. Thats like saying oh Thors hammer was "magical" so surfer shouldnt have been able to trap it in the forcefield that he did.
Originally posted by Naija boyso surfer could beat thor just by encasing him in a field? that would allow him to beat thor 10/10 with each battle lasting 10 seconds.
No it wouldnt. He has used encasement and entrapment against Thor, Carnage, Genis vell (which was actual board entrapment) etc. Stop commenting on things u know nothing about. Moreover the lasso being magical is not in and of itself a defense againt it being entrapped in a forcefield or a cosmic energy shell akin to his board. Thats like saying oh Thors hammer was "magical" so surfer shouldnt have been able to trap it in the forcefield that he did.
I hope you're not serious.
Originally posted by Starscream M
so surfer could beat thor just by encasing him in a field? that would allow him to beat thor 10/10 with each battle lasting 10 seconds.I hope you're not serious.
Why is it that whenever a serious discussion is going on u have to come in and derail it with ur retardation? The above statement is just nonsensical strawman argumentation. After ur initial spurious claim that encasement was out of character for Surfer had been proven false (no surprise there) with examples, u decided to then inject some of ur mental faeces into my reply. I never mentioned surfer beating Thor (let alone 10/10 and in ten seconds) by encasing him in a field. Furthermore in the battle against Thor, surfer didnt encase Thor he encased mjolnir, hence the reason i mentioned it as my first example cause it directly parallels this situation in which Surfer would be entrapping his opponents primary weapon. Such a tactic gave him a good advantage in his first fight with Thor and also will prove advantageous in this scenario.
Additionally since the lasso really is regular dianas key to obtaining any victory against Surfer, it would extremely detrimental in her case to lose it given surfers numerous advantages. The point i was passing across would be clear to any one whose mind wasnt a mental waste dump but in ur case, ur uncontrollable desire to troll me in any thread i enter and subsequently soil this board with more of ur mental faeces clearly stopped u from seeing this....lulz 🙂
Originally posted by Starscream M
nice rantmy whole point is that if surfer could encase mjolnir...then why doesn't he just encase thor as well? why even bother with fisticuffs?
lmao.....riiiight, ur whole point which u didnt think to actually type.. Anyhow on a forum seeing as Surfer has shown it to be in character and he will be fighting to full capacity, encasing Thor or whoever he is fighting as well as their weapons is a valid tactic for surfer to use.
The effectiveness of this tactic obviously will will vary from opponent to opponent ( with Thor, the presence of mjolnir,his strength, as well as his other lightning/storm attacks give him some measure of defense against direct encasement but even then the tactic could still be argued as a very smart one in a forum battle)
However this whole thor discussion is just a pathetic strawman anyways as regardless of its effectiveness against thor (which can be argued in appropriate threads), the person being discussed here is wonderwoman a character with a different combat dynamic and on whom this tactic, as ive explained, will be effective against. Little more needs to be said.
Originally posted by Starscream M
you're absolutely right...thor isn't WW. What worked on Thor and Mjolnir doesn't necessarily translate to working on Wondy.Also, WW's combat speed exceeds Surfer's, so if WW gets close enough for melee, I think she can overwhelm Surfer through speed and superior skill.
It doesnt translate by default, but it does translate if wonderwoman has no forseeable way of countering it which is the case here. If u had been able to think of a way she could counter it (even a relatively poor way) u wud have mentioned it instead of resorting to laughable fallacies, but such an activity is clearly to strenuous for someone with peak human stupidity. The fact is the tactic will be effective on her and she has virtually no way of countering such. Of course this isnt surfers only way of winning either (not even close)
WWs combat speed doesnt exceed surfers by any considerable margin if at all, and therefore speed will not be deciding factor. Not only that but within melee range surfer still has access to his forcefields plus his vastly superior durability + each and every single one of his other powers so her superior skill is certainly not going to give her the victory. This fight is not h2h. Surfers board will also prove to be a very effective weapon and a board ram to the back of the head while she is simultaneously blocking attacks from the front would also do serious damage.
The insinuation that if she manages to get close to surfer he will simply forget all his other powers and be unable to do anything but to fight her h2h, and therefore get overwhelmed is entirely nonsensical. Though considering that this is a product of ur so called "thinking".....im hardly surprised