Proof that Dbz are class 100 in strength

Originally posted by Z Kai
Or there's something called ki control and common sense. You think Nappa's city-leveler is as dense as Frieza's Death Beam, for instance? Which destroys on a larger scale and which is more destructive? Obvious answer.

Vegeta's self-destruct is yet another one of the stupidest examples you can use against the series. You mean to ask how he didn't destroy the planet he was initially trying to preserve as well as his family? Try putting that brain to use.

Good points.

I heard the "energy density" argument and it pretty much explains everything. It clearly explains how Nappa and Vegeta could stand right in the middle of Nappa's city destroying thing (when he raises his two fingers).

However, this does not explain why very sime Ki blasts from the characters, are not destroying the planet. They should be so dense and destructive that even a small Ki Blast destroys a planet. Larger ones should destroy solar systems. Really large ones, portions of galaxies.

Obviously their intentions (whether it's good guys or bad) are not outright attempting to destroy planets IN THE FIGHT. That only happens when people like Frieza/Cell get desperate, and that's actually what they tried. Frieza surpassed but it took a while since he intentionally held back to spare time for his true power. Cell's was shot back by Gohan, etc.

Also a planet-buster usually requires a bit a of a charge up and aimed towards the center of a planet i.e. the core. You can't really count a blast condensed to damage a small foe, missing the opponent and then hitting the planet at some angle.

We can't also assume every ki attack is primarily a detonating one. There can be mixups. For instance the flurry of attacks Frieza used on SSJ Goku or the ki Vegeta threw at some of the inhabitants of planet Namek were meant to disintegrate, not detonate so I don't see how anyone can complain there. Other fodder ki attacks may be mixups of detonation and disintegration, it's logically possible. What I'm saying is you can't throw inconsistency arguments around when one doesn't EVEN know the properties of some of the attacks. You think Toriyama would label his own series inconsistent? He'll call you wrong and write down an explanation for you to read. Besides chances are he would be repeating close to what I said verbatim.

Originally posted by Z Kai
Obviously their intentions (whether it's good guys or bad) are not outright attempting to destroy planets IN THE FIGHT. That only happens when people like Frieza/Cell get desperate, and that's actually what they tried. Frieza surpassed but it took a while since he intentionally held back to spare time for his true power. Cell's was shot back by Gohan, etc.

Also a planet-buster usually requires a bit a of a charge up and aimed towards the center of a planet i.e. the core. You can't really count a blast condensed to damage a small foe, missing the opponent and then hitting the planet at some angle.

We can't also assume every ki attack is primarily a detonating one. There can be mixups. For instance the flurry of attacks Frieza used on SSJ Goku or the ki Vegeta threw at some of the inhabitants of planet Namek were meant to disintegrate, not detonate so I don't see how anyone can complain there. Other fodder ki attacks may be mixups of detonation and disintegration, it's logically possible. What I'm saying is you can't throw inconsistency arguments around when one doesn't EVEN know the properties of some of the attacks. You think Toriyama would label his own series inconsistent? He'll call you wrong and write down an explanation for you to read. Besides chances are he would be repeating close to what I said verbatim.

You do not know Toriyama well, do you? He acknowledges the inconsistencies. It is only the fanboys that come up with illogical explanations to justify the obvious shitting continuity problems with the powerscaling.

Also, no, your explanation fails, horribly, at justifying the obvious powerscaling stupidity that Toriyama wrote himself into. The blowing up the the core idea is also fail as that happened only once on Namek from Frieza. No other planet is blown up by destroying the core. If what you said is true, why would any warrior use any small Ki blast since the middle of the dragon ball series? The only explanation is the density of ki blasts but even then, the explosion of a very dense ki blast should destroy a planet once we get towards the middle of the Dragonball Z series. Unless you honestly believe that those small ki blasts were any different than they were in Dragonball? The do the same amount of environment damage. There's no indication that they are any weaker or stronger than earlier in the series. Face it: Toriyama wrote himself into many plot holes.

The plot holes are part of what makes DBZ great! Gives fans somethin' to think about.

You could make a hundred page thread pointin' out inconsistencies.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You do not know Toriyama well, do you? He acknowledges the inconsistencies. It is only the fanboys that come up with illogical explanations to justify the obvious shitting continuity problems with the powerscaling.

Also, no, your explanation fails, horribly, at justifying the obvious powerscaling stupidity that Toriyama wrote himself into. The blowing up the the core idea is also fail as that happened only once on Namek from Frieza. No other planet is blown up by destroying the core. If what you said is true, why would any warrior use any small Ki blast since the middle of the dragon ball series? The only explanation is the density of ki blasts but even then, the explosion of a very dense ki blast should destroy a planet once we get towards the middle of the Dragonball Z series. Unless you honestly believe that those small ki blasts were any different than they were in Dragonball? The do the same amount of environment damage. There's no indication that they are any weaker or stronger than earlier in the series. Face it: Toriyama wrote himself into many plot holes.

My argument still stands. There are ki attacks not meant to explode and are just meant to eradicate and they can be combined fine. Kameha wave is a good example of eradicate/explode as well as other beam-like attacks. Majin Vegeta's body-destruct is another example like I said earlier. How can anyone use this if it was clear his intention is to go all-out while not harming the planet? If he can do that so can anyone else, because he isn't special in this regard.

Piccolo Destroyed the Moon............with 1 blast.................while Standing on Earth..............in the Saiyin Saga............hmmmmmm.......

Originally posted by Hitman911
Piccolo Destroyed the Moon............with 1 blast.................while Standing on Earth..............in the Saiyin Saga............hmmmmmm.......

Originally posted by kbclassof09
Kid Goku and Krillin push 600 ton boulder. Assuming that the rock is sandstone one of the lightest rocks. Sandstone weighs 150 lbs per cubic foot. That rock is 20 feet wide by 20 feet thick by 20 feet high. 20x20x20x150lbs= 600 tons.

If the boulder was 20 ft high and we were to assume that it was a sphere then it'd have a volume of 4188.7902 ft^3 or 118,613,329 cm^3 which would give us
Sandstone: 306,022,389 grams = 337.331941 short tons
Quartzite: 314,325,322 grams = 346.484358 short tons
Granite: 326,186,655 grams = 359.559239 short tons

If it were an elipsoid of 20x14x14 it have a volume of 2053.296 cubic feet or 58,142,867.8 cc
Sandstone: 150,008,599 grams = 165.356175 short tons
Quartzite: 154,078,600 = 169.842583 short tons
Granite: 159,892,886 = 176.251737 short tons

Of course none of this takes into account how much of the boulder is underground, nor how much force would be needed to displace the ground(As obviously there is resistence there too). I have no wat to estimate the former, and am not sure how to begin calculating the latter.

Originally posted by Creshosk
The same moon that Master Roshi destroyed earlier. Whoops.

600 tons? If the boulder were
Sandstone (2.58 g/cc)
Quartzite(2.65 g/cc)
Granite(2.75 g/cc)

If the boulder was 20 ft high and we were to assume that it was a sphere then it'd have a volume of 4188.7902 ft^3 or 118,613,329 cm^3 which would give us
Sandstone: 306,022,389 grams = 337.331941 short tons
Quartzite: 314,325,322 grams = 346.484358 short tons
Granite: 326,186,655 grams = 359.559239 short tons

If it were an elipsoid of 20x14x14 it have a volume of 2053.296 cubic feet or 58,142,867.8 cc
Sandstone: 150,008,599 grams = 165.356175 short tons
Quartzite: 154,078,600 = 169.842583 short tons
Granite: 159,892,886 = 176.251737 short tons

Of course none of this takes into account how much of the boulder is underground, nor how much force would be needed to displace the ground(As obviously there is resistence there too). I have no wat to estimate the former, and am not sure how to begin calculating the latter.

Lol at this post.

As for the thread, goku as a child was class 100.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol at this post.

As for the thread, goku as a child was class 100.

That rock was at least 30 to 40 ft tall and it was about the same length from right to left and goku pushed it with ease. Its pretty obvious he was a 100 tonner back then.

Im not sure you understand what 100 tonner means

it doesnt mean you can lift 100 tons. It does by definition but marvel is weird that way.

Take a look at everyone they list as 100 tons. All of them are in to the 10's-100's of thousand of tons as a low minimum

They are in class 100. Just not strength comparable to other high heralds.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
They are in class 100. Just not strength comparable to other high heralds.

Their punching power is much higher.

Stop basing things off of lifting feats... its overated because if that was the case, that would mean that thor, superman, and hulk are physically> thanos since thanos doesn't have a lifting feat under his belt.

Learn this, study it and write it down and hang it on your wall.

As for the thread... goku by the end of REGULAR dragonball was a high end 100 tonner.

Originally posted by carver9
Their punching power is much higher.

Stop basing things off of lifting feats... its overated because if that was the case, that would mean that thor, superman, and hulk are physically> thanos since thanos doesn't have a lifting feat under his belt.

Learn this, study it and write it down and hang it on your wall.

As for the thread... goku by the end of REGULAR dragonball was a high end 100 tonner.

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Originally posted by carver9
Their punching power is much higher.

Stop basing things off of lifting feats... its overated because if that was the case, that would mean that thor, superman, and hulk are physically> thanos since thanos doesn't have a lifting feat under his belt.

Learn this, study it and write it down and hang it on your wall.

As for the thread... goku by the end of REGULAR dragonball was a high end 100 tonner.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
I understand this. They still aren't in the league of high heralds like superman and thor.

I don't think they are in the league of superman or thor either, I think they are above it and if you would like to know why, I don't mind pming you proving my case.

Super saiyan 2 should be able to one shot kill thor or supes.

Originally posted by carver9
I don't think they are in the league of superman or thor either, I think they are above it and if you would like to know why, I don't mind pming you proving my case.

Super saiyan 2 should be able to one shot kill thor or supes.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
I petition we ban carver.

Buddy, all of this is common sense.

If I believe that black hair goku during the freiza saga would pull a majority against either of them and a super saiyan stomping against either of them, then we have cell juniors being far more powerful in every category than the two listed above and gohun one shotting them without trying... well, you get it.

Originally posted by carver9
I don't think they are in the league of superman or thor either, I think they are above it and if you would like to know why, I don't mind pming you proving my case.

Super saiyan 2 should be able to one shot kill thor or supes.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
I petition we ban carver.

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Originally posted by Badabing
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Wow... I'm not even safe in the anime thread. :-(